Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fulfilled prophecies


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The result was delete. As several users have pointed out, no good can come of a list where the very definitions of the terms are so elastic and subjective. Bishonen &#124; talk 13:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

List of fulfilled prophecies

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List on a sensitive topic, attracting (WP:PROMOTION), non-notable trivia (WP:NOTABLE and WP:GNG), usually (WP:NPOV) and WP:OR, non-verifiable WP:VERIFY claims. Title also not "Claims of fulfilled prophecies". PaleoNeonate (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - Every visitor may be tempted to add their favorite prophetic belief, especially if the article already appears to be an undiscriminate collection of such claims. Various reverts have been done of persistent claims without supporting reliable sources (WP:RS). Multiple current claims are not referenced.  The issues have been raised on the talk page in February  (Talk:List_of_fulfilled_prophecies) and relevant tags were applied to the article, but this attracted no discussion.  One month has elapsed since, and noone appears to currently want to work on improving the article (myself included). Few articles link to this one (Special:WhatLinksHere/List_of_fulfilled_prophecies).  This is not about an ongoing content dispute.  This is the first request for deletion I submit, please don't hesitate to leave me a comment if something is problematic, such that I can also learn in the process.  Thanks to all involved.  PaleoNeonate (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


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 * delete All there are speculations, coincidences and postfactum interpretations of vague babbles of prophets. Staszek Lem (talk) 16:22, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Rename and prune. "Claims of fulfilled prophecies" (or "List of claims...") would be more accurate.  I'd also keep only ones where there is a written contemporaneous record of the prophecy as a minimum.  Some of these don't even have citations, but that's a reason to improve the article, not to delete it. Matchups 22:00, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be better if the relevant faith-related articles described those beliefs rather than such a trivia list? Another interesting aspect which I unfortunately didn't discuss in my original comment, would be coincidential technological advancements which made some science-fiction dreams reality, I'm not sure yet if we already have something about this, but it wasn't part if this article's content.  It would still be a sensitive topic as literature, preferences and notability would still be involved.  Thanks, PaleoNeonate (talk) 22:51, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Rename to Claims of fulfilled prophecies and prune. It is probably best that this be limited to events not less than (say) 80 years ago, and prophecies made not less than 100 years ago.  This should exclude OR additions.  It should probably exclude those from major religions: biblical prophecy is not there; and Bahai ones should not be.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete No good can come of this. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 00:06, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 00:30, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Much of it is OR but more importantly it is all just so subjective, both in terms of the original claims to what fulfills a (usually quite vague) prophecy, and the criteria for including a given claim on this page. I have to agree with Chris troutman that nothing good can come of this, no matter how the name is tweaked. Agricolae (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. [insert clever prophecy about deletion here] &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 23:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Done! (Special:Permalink/773890670) -- ]PaleoNeonate█ ⏎ ?ERROR ═╣ 01:15, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * UnDone! Wrong "here" it was. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep. Prophesied that, too. My prophecies are namespace-specific. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 02:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete A List like this is a silly premise, frequently warred over whenever someone's favorite prognosticator says something that later comes to pass. The main article on prophecy already touches on many of the historical figures listed here anyways, this doesn't seem to serve a purpose. ValarianB (talk) 12:01, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


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