Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of grunge bass players


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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

List of grunge bass players

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I don't think there are enough independently notable bassists from grunge bands to make this a useful list. Most of the list is just a list of grunge bands, not grunge bassists. There'd be four entries if the list was stripped down to only include bassists with articles. I can't really think of a suitable merge/redirect target (the main grunge feels like it would be undue), but I'm open to ideas. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 08:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete. This is a list of grunge artists, not bassists. Ajf773 (talk) 08:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - none of the sources in the article or in my WP:BEFORE provide coverage of grunge bass players as a group and therefore fails WP:NLIST. As it stands the page doesn’t even list bass players but bands which is pretty terrible. I know this is fixable but still. ‘Grunge bass player’ isn’t really a thing - maybe ‘bass players in grunge music’ would make more sense but ultimately they both fail WP:NLIST. Vladimir.copic (talk) 13:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - Huh? Like the nominator I noticed that this list starts with four actual bass players, and then it becomes a list of grunge bands that happen to have bass players. Completely uninformative and nonsensical. The history of the article indicates that someone started it four years ago as an item of personal interest and then forgot to finish it off. I agree that this fails WP:NLIST. If anyone is interested, see also the similarly scattershot List of grunge bands. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 13:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete There is no coverage of this intersection in particular, and the list is not even what it claims. I know as has been said before that can be fixed, but why bother when it does not conform to any standard listings. I do not think I have ever seen a list come up here that was falsely claiming to be something it was not.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, faulty list. Geschichte (talk) 20:01, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete at best this would be a category.BuySomeApples (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Nom apparently misapprehends WP:CSC: Notability of any list member isn't necessary for a list. Jclemens (talk) 00:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it's you that's misreading CSC, actually. CSC Point 2 (where every entry is a notability fail, like character lists in media) and Point 3 (about objectively/verifiably complete lists) don't apply to this list, so you must be talking about Point 1: Every entry meets the notability criteria for its own non-redirect article in the English Wikipedia. Red-linked entries are acceptable if the entry is verifiably a member of the listed group and it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the near future (bold mine). You're missing or misreading that last part. With the exception of the four independently-notable bassists currently listed, the majority of bassists from the majority of the bands listed are not sufficiently notable to warrant independent articles about themselves, so the list does not satisfy CSC. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 01:07, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This "keep" voter may have only read the title of the article under discussion. It contains 4 bass players followed by 37 bands, but it inaccurately calls itself a list of bass players while there is already a partially duplicative List of grunge bands elsewhere. A "list of grunge bassists" might (I repeat might) satisfy some list rules if it actually lived up to its own title. (And as an aside, the two lists neglect thousands of eligible grunge bands and bassists, and are just plain sloppy and embarrassing for WP.) ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:23, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no question this list sucks. But suckage is not a reason to delete, the essay WP:TNT notwithstanding. Don't like it? Pare it back--that's how to fix content. Deletion is for when no such list should exist which is not the case here. Jclemens (talk) 06:48, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That's why my comment on the quality was prefaced with "As an aside..." and placed in parentheses. The rest of my comment and previous vote are policy-based. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for sure, not bassists Idunnox3 (talk) 22:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - it's an WP:NLIST failure, and as per, it doesn't even really make any sense, as it quickly devolves into listing bands instead of bass players. And we already have a List of grunge bands. The best one could really hope for is a draftify consensus - "keep" isn't viable result when dealing with such an incomplete, poorly constructed article. But I don't think that's even worth pursuing honestly. Sergecross73   msg me  14:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)


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