Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hard rock bands and artists (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Consensus is that the list lacks well-defined criteria. Sjakkalle (Check!)  09:06, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

List of hard rock bands and artists
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Completely biased list, not including most of non-English speaking countries, based on not determined criteria, not cleared since previous nominations and at current state and shape completely useless Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 01:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete First of all, no obvious and legible criteria seem to have been applied when creating this list. So, eg. we can find Garry Moore (why with the flag of the Republic of Ireland?) along with Quos and definetely a hard rock band AC/DC. Moreover, no sources are provided, which would state certain bands as recogniced hard rock artists. Furthermore, the list is lacking any limitation criteria, which would justify a presence of any band suspected only of playing this genre. Last but not least, some aditional mess has been created by ornamenting the groups with the flags: Why English bands are marked with the St George's Cross, whereass the Welsh ones (like Budgie) carry the British Flag? Kicior99 (talk) 01:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- --Darkwind (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- --Darkwind (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Not a very strong reason on why the article should be deleted, plus to question about it's usefulness, Wikipedia's main goal is being an encyclopedia, feeding information into other people's heads which they don't already know about. The list of hard rock bands, or for any band list for that matter (if you are considering to delete this article, than you really have to delete all of the other list of band articles, and considering hard rock is one of the most historical and notable rock subgenres, it's pretty absurd) can definitely provide information the user doesn't already know about, such as looking for new bands to give a try. I myself get some band information through Wikipedia, especially through lists of bands.


 * Secondly, to comment about the flag thing, it can easily be fixed, not sure what the big deal is about there. Third, sources that come from the band's article itself works fine rather including them here, as including the sources here directly can end up making the article large enough that splitting would become inevitable.


 * Also, there are not that many non-English bands on the list because people aren't including them. I have no problem with non-English bands, and I'd include them. One reason is why Wikipedia is user-contributed is to allow somebody with outside knowledge to contribute to the list and add a band. Do you know of any foreign hard rock bands? Add them in.-- F-22 Raptör Aces High ♠ 03:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * With all the due respect, saying if you want to delete this one, delete others is definetly not the level of discussion I should like to maintain. The charge for this very article (and not for others) is obvious and simple: unsourced list of bands associated with the genre according to ambiguous criteria and there should be no beating about the bush: either this article is brought to any acceptable level and supplied with reliable sources, or should be immediately deleted. Yes, I am fully aware that we are writing encyclopaedia, wnich in its basis constitutes reliable and professional source of intormation. This article does not comply with these requirements. Regards. Kicior99 (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment What makes April Wine and Alias hard rock? Two known Canadian bands which if you listen to them are not really hard rock.  While the list is subjective, if we can come to a consensus on merit that all bands and artists need to go by, then we can par down this list and source all of the entries just so it is no longer subjective.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:34, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete POV, and in some cases, an odd POV. Janis Joplin?  Seriously?  REO? Styx?  It's basically a category with flags, and room for anyone to throw in their opinion about what band belongs on the list.  Since it is designed to have names added indiscriminately, it's not much of a stretch for this to start accumulating the names of the next editor's favorite artist.  Every day, Wikipedia gets new articles about (and in many cases by) aspiring artists, so this one is potentially endless. Mandsford (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: This may actually be a case where a 7-year old article has outgrown its usefulness, because of the demand for sourcing and the proliferation of not-really-notable entries.--Milowent (talk) 19:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep But require citations for all bands on the list. A WP:RS must refer to the band or artist in question specifically as hard rock in order for them to remain on the list.  This is how it is done on List of nu metal bands, and it's relatively successful, though there are still occasional disputes.  However, disputed bands are required to have additional sources to back up the claim to being a part of the genre, up to four for highly disputed bands.   This would eliminate a large number of incorrectly classified bands, as well as non-notable and "me too" bands looking to promote themselves. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 21:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: By looking at the article I can see that almost all of the bands about which I know something (which are most of the bands on the list) are primarily hard rock bands. The only band that might be in question are the glam metal ones, but that is an old dilemma: is glam metal heavy metal or hard rock. I believe the article should be kept; as someone said the main task of this encyclopedia is giving information, and that is exactly what this article does, although, I believe that more band from non-English speaking countries should be included. Ostalocutanje (talk)
 * Delete as the creation entirely novel list topics without a verifiable definition contravenes the prohibition on original research as illustrated by WP:MADEUP. As far as I can see, this list, or anything like it, has not be been published anywhere except within Wikipedia, so there is no evidence that it is verifiable, let alone notable. To demonstrate that this topic was not created based on editor's own idea, a verifiable definition is needed to provide external validation that this list complies with content policy. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 12:41, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:LC items 4, 7, and 10. Stifle (talk) 08:26, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.