Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hate groups in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  Delete First, what is a hate group? Second, who defines it? Third, where are the sources? Without strong referencing, this list could have potentially been deleted as a BLP violation. AS is this is unsourced OR.--- Balloonman  NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:44, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

List of hate groups in the United States

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POV list of hate groups with no well-defined criteria; currently has no references, but likely references would be from organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center which are not themselves reliable sources. AV3000 (talk) 18:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral - "Hate group" is edging on POV, but we could have a perfectly non-POV list which organises hate groups in terms of which organisations have listed them as such. Southern Poverty Law Center's dispatches can meet WP:RS in most circumstances. However, I see the inclusion problems. Claritas § 18:34, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, there's been debate whether the SPLC is to be considered a reliable source, and wording issues continue to this day... AV3000 (talk) 18:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Neutral - Although I have edited the page, I didn't create it and think it is very easy to POV-push with it, as I probably have.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 20:32, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note - This has nothing to do with my point of view. The list was created per this discussion CrimsonBlue (talk) 21:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: While I think it's a page that will have to be watched closely, I do think it's a legitimate addition to Wikipedia as a whole and therefore should be kept. --Deathawk (talk) 01:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete: This page will be no end of trouble.  It is totally not needed.  Why?  Any page that discusses hate groups will likely have links to lists of hate groups from various organizations or governmental entities.  I already see hate groups here that are solely listed by the SPLC in its POV effort to get others to agree with its labeling.  We don't want Wikipedia seeming to be declaring what are the existing hate groups or seeming to be endorsing views of others as to what are the hate groups.  It is far better to link to such existing lists as I mentioned about.  And if we do that, there is absolutely no need for having a separate "lists" page.  It will be duplicative of the linked lists on the hate groups page anyway. Also, if the group really is an established hate group and recognized as such by law or by the government, then we can use an appropriate category that will by default create its own list without people having to maintain this one. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 03:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - But keep the list in accordance to reliable sources. One of which most definitely is the SPLC. Dave Dial (talk) 03:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * This is an example of why this page should be removed. It should not be here to publicize the views of third parties.  A simple link as I described above would suffice. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 03:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - Hate groups are referenced daily in the media and the SPLC is one of several watchdog groups that are recognized as reliable sources both by the media and academics. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 10:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if true, that is irrelevant to whether Wikipedia should have a separate list of hate groups. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 12:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete unless someone wants to try to turn this lazy little list into a real article. We seem to have several people who would like to see someone come to its rescue, although my experience is that it's usually that they would like someone else to do the rescuing.  If rescued, one would have to have reliable sources that show that a particular organization as a hate group by others, such as a federal or state court returning an indictment against members for a hate crime.  One just can't throw names on to a list, and if one does, then put some type of information with it.  It ain't 2005 anymore, and lists of  "look-it-up" blue links don't cut it now.  Mandsford 13:20, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete, other sites list these! so do we need it? No its all POV, SPLC Hates "Hate Groups" thus this mean of course one can spin it into a dozen bad directions. Its one thing to SPLC say group "A" is a Hate group, its another to list with without balance Weaponbb7 (talk) 14:45, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete according to our own article on hate groups: "The classification of a group as a hate group is controversial, and little or no consensus has developed." So why is there any need to apply this poorly-defined and extremely dubious label to groups and list them by that criteria. No, thank you, controversisal lists and articles are one thing, controversial articles and lists which serve little or no purpose are another. Someoneanother 07:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:OR unless someone comes up with references that shows that reliable sources somewhere classify each as a hate group. GregJackP (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.