Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hidden gems (games)


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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 00:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

List of hidden gems (games)

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This seems to be a subjective, indiscriminate list. The criteria, too, seems to be subjective. For example, one criterion to be included into the list is to "Be objectively good", which — by its very nature — is subjective. Hence, the list — in my opinion — should be deleted. Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 04:14, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost (talk) 04:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. The sourcing issue has been fixed, and the criteria for objectiveness, has been redefined, many of the issues have been fixed. Of course I believe others would expand the list, but I've looked at game play for all of these games, some of them I subjectively don't like, but I added them, because of the objective criteria. Considering the list has been around for one day, I'm sure it will be expanded, seeing as the criteria has been re-defined, and the source issue has been fixed, deletion makes no sense. - Danthemagicalman (talk) 17:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC) TALK (5:04 PM, UTC Time)
 * The sourcing issue has been fixed - No it pasn't. All of the citations are other Wikipedia articles and Wikipedia is not a reliable source. This list is just your opinion and nothing more. --The1337gamer (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The sourcing issue has been fixed - Yes it has, I found better sources. Feel free to add the the list if you think you have better games, as I said "games, some of them I subjectively don't like" such as Xenon, but because of its innovation, I added it, feel free to add games if you wish for a broader content, until then I don't feel you have any right to judge, and as said on the article, "This video game-related list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.". --Danthemagicalman (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The sourcing is still atrocious. You heavily use SegaRetro, which is not a usable source - its a wiki as well, so it fails WP:USERG. And while you added a source, most of the prose actually there are just your own editorials regardless. This is not how encyclopedia articles are written on Wikipedia. Sergecross73   msg me  16:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - unsourced, completely subjective criteria. There is perhaps a possibility of a legitimate list, if listing games that have been described as "hidden gem" by proper sourcing, but I'm not covince that it would meet WP:LISTN, and this wouldn't be a good title or base for that in any case. ansh 666 05:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - This list is literally just the article creator's opinion. Games that they alone consider to meet their own arbitrary criteria. An encyclopedia is not the place for this sort of content. --The1337gamer (talk) 08:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:OR. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:01, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Before you judge, it even says the last is incomplete, so if you guys want to add better games be my guest, I just thought Wikipidians deserved to know some of the hidden gems of our gaming world, which was a surprise to me this didn't exist, so feel free to edit, but don't judge an incomplete list. Also, which games do you feel are subjective, as part of Wikipidia you should help expand lackluster content, as you feel, and so by those who feel deletion, your aren't helping Wikipedia, your just ignoring the fact this article needs fixing, and are taking the lazy way out by supporting deletion."You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today". (Abraham Lincoln) - Danthemagicalman (talk)
 * "which games do you feel are subjective" - The word "subjective" doesn't mean what you think it does. Per Merriam-Webster, subjective means "peculiar to a particular individual" or "modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background". We're not saying "You say the games listed in this article are good, but we say they're bad"; we're saying "Any judgement on which games are good and which games are not is subjective, and therefore not appropriate for Wikipedia."--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - Blatatly subjective list criteri, right from the article title. The problem with a source-based version of the list, as Ansh666 suggested, is that once a game is described as a "hidden gem" by multiple notable sources, by definition it is no longer a hidden gem.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Not necessarily: just because a game is notable doesn't mean it isn't obscure (Gearheads and Operation: Inner Space spring to my mind). Adam9007 (talk) 15:34, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about notability and obscurity. The term "hidden gem" means considerably more than that.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. Original research pnd list inclusion suggests not adhering to neutral POV. Ajf773 (talk) 18:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Article essentially admits that it's someone's POV list of games. There's already List of cult video games, this is unnecessary. To the article creator: bone up on Wikipedia policies about original research before creating articles.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 23:53, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Subjective list of games. Not sourced even remotely close to what would be needed.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - per the rest of the comments about the implausibility of the article's concept or sourcing it. Not encyclopedic in the least. If you want to write up personal essays on your game opinions, go take it to WordPress or social media, not here. Sergecross73   msg me  16:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - there is no way this article could ever be anything except WP:POV. I am amused by the criterion "Be considered objectively good (graphics, game play, design, etc.), so it can't be subjectively chosen", when by their very definition "good graphics", "good design", etc are subjective views -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Obvious delete. There is no way this can be fixed. Suitable for a blog post.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - and WP:SNOW TarkusAB talk 12:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)


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