Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hobbies (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   'WITHDRAWN (non-admin closure). RadioFan (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

List of hobbies
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infinitely expandable, hopelessly unmaintainable list of highly subjective subjects. Not clear what does or does not belong here. Previously deleted after an AFD, speedy deletion under G4 due administrator noting that this article was "Totally different from the deleted version". RadioFan (talk) 17:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep expandable is not an objection, most lists are not finite. no reason it should be impossible to maintain, sometimes common sense and the ordinary meaning of words in the English language is enough of a criterion.    DGG ( talk ) 19:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep I don't see how this fails any list criteria: it is not indiscriminate (there are definitive criteria for inclusion), it is not infinite (there are things that do not qualify for inclusion) and it can be reliably sourced and verifiable. HominidMachinae (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment "hobby" is far too subjective of a criteria to be sufficiently discriminate to meet list criteria.--RadioFan (talk) 20:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep: Since no policies are mentioned as a reason for the nomination, I must address the statements made in the nomination:
 * "infinitely expandable" — "Infinitely" means without limits, this list is obviously limited: to hobbies. List of hobbies is infinitely beneficial to Wikipedia and its users because, to mention one, it helps to enable exploritory browsing of Wikipedia (see WP:AOAL).  Examples of other lists like List of hobbies might include Outline of entertainment,List of toys, List of collectibles -- certainly any one of these lists could be expanded "infinitely" as defined by the nominator, given the nature of their topics, but they have not, and prove to be quite useful to me, and I suspect many other users, as List of hobbies will be.
 * "hopelessly unmaintainable list" — I don't see this as an arguement to delete a page. I see this as an arguement to set up guidelines on how the page should be maintained and what should be added to it.  I would volunteer to do this, but frankly don't know how.  I don't believe anything is hopelessly unmaintainable.  An example of this might be Tagline which has the following statement at the top, "<!-Don't add a tagline unless the *tagline* is famous, and reference both the tagline and its notability->" (which was added by someone long before I came along) and seems to be a good idea.  I have removed some items from that list as a result.
 * "highly subjective subjects" — One might argue that what people find as entertainment as a highly subjective subject, yet we still have the very useful Outline of entertainment. List of hobbies will surely be just as useful.
 * The bottom line: Keep List of hobbies and fix it, help define it, and help maintain it, instead of deleting it because of the fear that it MIGHT become "unmaintainable". If I have violated any rules of arguing this sort of thing, then I apologize, because it was completely unintentional.  I am willing to learn.  Thank you, for your time and consideration, Jeffrey Scott Maxwell (talk) 20:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * withdrawn--RadioFan (talk) 21:37, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.