Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hospitals in Bali


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Many of the arguments in favor of keeping the article do seem to rely heavily on WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which, while not policy is certainly a valid concept. Additionally, one of the keep "votes" does not explain why the page should be kept. Bearing this in mind, I conclude that consensus is strongly on the side of deletion – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

List of hospitals in Bali

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY Davidelit (talk) 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep If articles are going to be written on individual hospitals, as they could be, there is no reason not to have a list. Borock (talk) 15:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete The article has been up for some time, and there is no promise or indication that individual articles are planned. The article therefore remains simple listcruft, containing incidentally an advertisement which is itself, separately, unacceptable in wikipedia. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 15:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep but determine notable hospitals, red-link them in the list, remove the non-notable ones, and place the notable ones on requests for page creation. The   Seeker 4   Talk  15:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Having spoken to a member of the Indonesia Project, my understanding is that none are wiki-notable. But I would concede that this is difficult to establish in the absence of articles. Would not the corrdct sequence be to write aricles about the hospitals, establish notability if it exists and then make the list? --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 09:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  -- Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete As we are not the phone book. Even a listing of notable hospitals is irrelevant to an encyclopedia unless the list itself is notable.  A category is highly appropriate here but an article is not unless more can be written about the topic than just presenting the list itself.  Them  From  Space  02:08, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, Wikipedia is not a directory. Stifle (talk) 14:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia is not a phonebook or a directory. Ray  Talk 18:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete and turn this into a category. Unless the list would be notable, we don't need to have an indiscriminate list of all the hospitals in Bali (even if we only listed the notable ones). B figura  (talk) 03:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Why should a list of hospitals in an Indonesian province be deleted when we have similar lists for every American state? And please don't throw WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS at me - that is a section of an essay that, in cases such as this, runs against the policy of neutral point of view, which means that any concept such as notability is just as valid from an Indonesian point of view as it is from an American one. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:NPOV requires us to obtain a neutral point of view, not a point of view which treats all national perspectives with lopsided equality. A neutral point of view, rather than seeking the lowest common denominator, rejects that false paradigm and uses other criteria to determine suitability. In this case, the relevant criteria are WP:N, WP:V, and WP:NOT. This article fails on those points. If it should so happen that, as I do not doubt, hospitals in the United States are more likely to have significant secondary source reporting about them and are hence more likely to be notable, this is not a failure of neutrality on our part. It is simply the state of the world. Ray  Talk 11:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.