Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hostage crises


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The result was keep. List has been improved since nomination. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🙃  (ICE-T • ICE CUBE) 00:30, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

List of hostage crises

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Seems to be a completely arbitrary list without any commentary or clear criteria for inclusion. A list of every hostage-taking in history (or even just hostage situations that have articles) would be so impossibly broad as to be useless (per WP:SALAT) and there's no suggestion that this arbitrary selection has been discussed as a group in reliable sources, nor even that the hostage-taking is the reason many of these events are notable. This is essentially a category in list form but would be more useful as a category in my opinion. HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 22:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, but prune the ones without articles or in some cases no mentions in linked articles (e.g. Taft Avenue). The corresponding category appears to be Category:Hostage taking, but the list provides more information, such as duration (no. of hostages, deaths, etc. would also be welcome), and a rename to List of hostage takings seems appropriate, as "crises" is rather vague. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with HJ that this is too broad for NLIST. On a cursory GBooks/GScholar/ProQuest search, I find very little that you can interpret to be talking about hostage crises as a general topic of focus versus specific hostage crises, or (the closest I could get) the evolution of crisis negotiations. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 21:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:21, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comments: this could be a useful list, but its current form is unclear. Like, what's the point? Why is only one situation cited? Can we userfy this? Can we move it as suggested? Bearian (talk) 19:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - leaning towards "per clarityfiend" (with the pruning, adding information, etc.). Certainly the inclusion criteria can be tightened, perhaps limiting just to those events notable because of taking of hostages, etc. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 15:04, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep the list does not attempt to include every hostage crisis in history, only those that meet the notability requirements. I agree that the article should include more information, but that is an argument for expanding it, not one for deleting it. Partofthemachine (talk) 23:22, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It includes many that don't have their own articles. But even just those hostage takings that have (or could have) an article has got to be thousands of possible entries. It's impossibly broad, and there's no real literature covering every hostage taking ever. We couod move it and completely rewrite it as suggested above but how is that meaningfully different to deletion? HJ Mitchell &#124; Penny for your thoughts? 09:20, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per excellent pruning by Clarityfiend. BD2412  T 01:44, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


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