Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hotels in Karachi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of hotels in Pakistan. There seems to be a rough consensus that this page does not meet our guidelines. However past that there seems no solid consensus on whether to delete outright or redirect. In the absence of a clear consensus for deletion I generally opt for a redirect. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

List of hotels in Karachi

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WP:NOTDIR. Basically an indiscriminate list of non-notable hotels using news or hotel websites as an attempt to give them some notability Ajf773 (talk) 08:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 08:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 08:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Weak keep, but trim. Redirect to List of hotels in Pakistan. Category:Hotels in Karachi lists three, one of which is under construction, barely enough for a list. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Several items have been tagged for "citation needed", which is fine.  We need to "Keep" hotel list-articles in general (within system of lists List of hotels), and merge/redirect not-individually-notable separate hotel articles to them. -- do  ncr  am  23:21, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The citation needed flags were added by me five months ago, they are not meant to be permanent and since no one else has given any source(s) claiming the notability of those list entries I don't see why they need to exist anymore. Please do explain why we need to "keep" all hotel list articles and include non-notable hotels forming indiscriminate lists or borderline travel guides? Ajf773 (talk) 04:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete -- WP:TRAVELGUIDE; none of the hotels are individually notable. Wikipedia is not Yellow Pages either. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:44, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * When I say "trim", I mean include only hotels with articles, which presumably are notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:27, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - per precedence like List of hotels in New York City, List of hotels in Dubai & List of hotels in Metro Manila. Or merge and redirect to List of tourist attractions in Karachi. - Mfarazbaig (talk) 10:19, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. We don't need a hotel list for every city in the world. Wikipedia isn't a travel guide. Ajf773 (talk) 13:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I completely agree with — usernamekiran (talk)   00:45, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yashovardhan (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep; Karachi has several notable hotels eg. Pearl Continental, Avari, Marriott, Mövenpick, Ramada, Regent Plaza, Arabian Sea Country Club and more. This could easily be converted into a list, per doncram.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 11:18, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Many of those listed are hotel chains. Notability is not inherited based on the fact they belong to a hotel chain, the Karachi franchise must be notable on its own merits. Ajf773 (talk) 11:20, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  J 947(c) (m) 23:57, 5 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I think that a final relist would be beneficial. The strongest arguments are the "delete" and "redirect" arguments. Both delete and redirect arguments agree that hotels in Karachi alone are not notable enough to be included in it's own separate article, and that it should instead be redirected to the broader List of hotels in Pakistan. The delete side argues that Wikipedia is not a travel guide and therefore the article should be deleted.
 * Delete: The "policy" What Wikipedia is not gives examples of community standards of what should not be in an encyclopedia. Reasons not to follow these would be to ignore policy if it improves Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a directory, an indiscriminate collection of information, yellow pages, or travel guide. Listing hotels in every city or town does not offer enhancement to Wikipedia. Adding these lists, contrary to policy, opens the floodgate of allowing other stuff to exist. These "lists" can be found online in numerous places, in the aforementioned yellow pages, and in actual travel guides, so there is no need to convert an encyclopedia into such a vehicle. Using promotional references that are biased by their nature of advertising such as the Marriott Hotel reference, only degrades Wikipedia by telling us just how good the hotel is and not offering any negative views. This slippery slope of travel guide listings, like List of hotels in the United States or List of hotels in Spain, with advertising references for the Mariott is not encyclopedic. Otr500 (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of hotels in Pakistan. Not a strong case for this being a standalone list given the apparent paucity of notable hotels in this city. I think there's a place for listing international chains in country-specific lists, less so for listing individual locations of that chain, but that's an issue for that page, not here. postdlf (talk) 21:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect as above List of hotels in Pakistan I agree with postdlf Deathlibrarian (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Music1201  talk  18:02, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. the other lists contain notable hotels. This one does not have any. If some of the hotels can be shown to be notable, then, and only then, would there be a point in an article. There;s no point merging to List of hotels in {akistan, since that list--just as it should-- contains only notable hotels, and none of the ones here would qualify--there is nothing to merge.  DGG ( talk ) 09:41, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect I see no reason not to redirect to List of hotels in Pakistan; redirects are cheap. There's no content on this page to merge, though. Power~enwiki (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. d.g. L3X1  (distænt write)   )evidence(  02:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect - No content worth merging, no history worth preserving. Exemplo347 (talk) 17:34, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


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