Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of hyperspace depictions in science fiction


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Hyperspace. Tone 08:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

List of hyperspace depictions in science fiction

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Improper split from the parent article that is entirely fancruft and original research, goes against WP:IPC suggested guidelines. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect to hyperspace as there are too many obscure references here. Sam-2727 (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Notable key concept found in multiple notable works. It was broken off from Hyperspace on 13 August 2019  and this page created.  Getting too long there so a spinoff page is justified.  As long as everything on the list has its own article, then its a notable list, far more useful than a category would be.   D r e a m Focus  17:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge back and trim Of course it was split – these are absurdly long descriptions – but it was not justified. If something it getting too long you should think a little harder about how well each one is written, rather than taking the shortcut of making a new article full of rambling fancruft beyond the recommendations of MOS:PLOT. Each description should be no more than a few sentences, and they need sourcing of some sort. Absurd to assume any list in any state is acceptable because its broader subjects are independently notable. Reywas92Talk 18:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 04:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep As this is a split, then there's no reason to delete as splits are reversed by merger. It's not difficult to find sources showing that the topic passes WP:LISTN such as Popular Mechanics and The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction.  Other applicable policies and guidelines include WP:ATD, WP:IMPERFECT, WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew D. (talk) 09:11, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Your comment appears to favour merging or redirecting on procedural grounds, which is something no one's likely to disagree with you on, but you bolded the word "keep" in spite of the actual substance of your argument. Would you mind elaborating? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 13:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The commentary on merger/split is to point out that we don't have a reason to delete, which is the main issue at AfD. The sources and guidance of WP:LISTN indicate that this is reasonable as a separate list.  So, we don't delete and should keep the page which may reasonably summarised as Keep.  This !vote stands. Andrew D. (talk) 13:50, 23 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Redirect, don't merge This primary-sourced monstrosity should not exist in its current state, either as a standalone article or as a mess that overwhelms some other unfortunate page. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 12:53, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Redirect to hyperspace, with a potential light merge of any of the information here that is actually supported by non-primary sources. Which is not very much of it.  The vast majority of the information here is overly long plot information being sourced only by the books/movies/TV episodes themselves, and should not be merged back.  Rorshacma (talk) 16:02, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The WP:RS and guidelines of WP:LISTN allow this as a separate list. It serves our readers to keep the list and it is within WP:POLICY Lightburst (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect to the main article. This should be a few paragraphs in the parent article talking about major examples used in popular works of fiction. Listing every single usage is simply unnecessary bloat. TTN (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - the main uses of Hyperspace in Sci-Fi are covered in the Hyperspace article - this list is WP:FANCRUFT - I don't believe a redirect is advisable because then a "List of..." title would redirect to an article, not a list - I think most people would search for "Hyperspace" rather than "List of hyperspace depictions in science fiction" - to redirect, the article should first be moved to "Hyperspace depictions in science fiction" which would redirect to Hyperspace (am I making this too complicated?) - this article is mostly original research and primary sources - it's too bad because if I was a Sci-Fi writer creating a story about hyperspace, this is where I would come to see how it has been treated by other writers - but usefulness does not mean notable WP:ITSUSEFUL - Epinoia (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


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