Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ice hockey players of Latin American descent


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

List of ice hockey players of Latin American descent

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Overly broad to the point of being a random collection of information, and despite that still has no content. The list cannot decide what its scope is - the title is "of Latin American descent", but according to the header, it includes Spain, Portugal, "Portuguese America" (which has been called Brazil for over 200 years) and "Hispanic America" which is an old term for all of Central and South America (what is now considered Latin America). None of the players are directly from any of those countries as far as what the nationalities indicate (all American or Canadian), and almost all of them are of mixed descent. All of the retired players save one, and six of the 10 actives, are mixed Portuguese. They should therefore not be on this list, because neither Portugal nor Brazil consider themselves to be in Latin America. That leaves five people total for the list. I can't dig it out because of the redirect, but apparently this used to be List_of_ice_hockey_players_of_Latino_descent and was AfDed as such. MSJapan (talk) 04:15, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete Like other lists of its type, it's vaguely defined, and has no intrinsic notability. Nwlaw63 (talk) 18:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep It is very rare to see any NHL players who are Latin American descent in the White-dominated sport. Marc87 (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Singling them out for being different doesn't help with diversity. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:19, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

 *Keep NHL players of Latin American descent are rare. Keep conditional tough, unless no other primary sources can be found; could not find any so far.Editor400 (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete based on current content. There is nothing in this article that suggests that, say, Canadian players of Portuguese descent were ever considered to be significantly different from Canadian players of other European descents, or that they were subjected to distinct treatment in the sport on account of their ethnicity. Maybe they were, and I don't mean to minimize any prejudice they may have experienced. But I've never seen an article like this Sports Illustrated article about black players in the NHL, but written instead about Portuguese players in the league. In any event, Portuguese-Canadians are not of Latin American descent, because Portugal is in Europe, not Latin America. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Struck sockpuppet vote. See here. MSJapan (talk) 15:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * They are so rare, in fact, that less than one-third of the players on this List of ice hockey players of Latin American descent are actually of Latin American descent. (Most of them are of Iberian European descent.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. As noted above, there is no intrinsic notability to being a hockey player with random ancestry. Especially in a North American (especially Canadian) dominated sport where our very culture is built on immigration.  The simple truth is most of these players are viewed as being "Canadian" or "American", not "Portugese-Canadian".  Also, as noted, the fact that the list needs to completely break the definition of "Latin America" to pad itself is a further sign of non-notability. Resolute 15:41, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete arbritary and misleading list. Secret account 20:32, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Reso makes the case very, very well; I don't believe I can explain it any better than he has. - The Bushranger One ping only 11:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
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