Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ice rinks in Australia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  00:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

List of ice rinks in Australia

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Directory of non-notable places. BJ Talk 17:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOT. LeaveSleaves talk 18:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete As Leave notes correctly, Wikipedia is not a directory. When the article was created two years ago, it might have served a purpose, but people are more likely to seek the information elsewhere, such as at ;  Mandsford (talk) 19:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. The list is not indiscriminate. Only rinks with the potential to have articles are included and at least 2 of those are notable places (note the Big Banana) and while Wikipedia is not a directory, having redlinks in a list encourages article creation in a way that a category (or no content at all) couldn't. If there's really objections against having it in name space, I'd suggest to move it to a subpage of an appropriate WikiProject instead. - Mgm|(talk) 09:02, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup. Ice Arena (Adelaide) has an article and isn't being nominated for deletion (though it needs cleanup), and Macquarie Ice Rink is notable as it was used for the 1991 World short track speed skating championship, so at least two notable ice rinks exist in Australia, therefore a list seems valid (then again, maybe two isn't sufficient for a list). If people don't want it kept, consider moving the content into project space per Mgm and redirecting the page to Winter sport in Australia. Street addresses should be removed, however. Andjam (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep but clean up. The scope of the list is clearly defined and finite, some of the elements on the list are individually notable, and the overall topic of ice rinks in Australia is likely to be notable (even if not all of the list elements are individually notable). However, article needs cleanup (some of the needs were outlined by Andjam, above) and third-party reliable sources to establish notability. --Orlady (talk) 14:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Overly-broad list violates WP:SALAT, WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and WP:NOT. The subject is too broad to be notable.  Themfromspace (talk) 19:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment For fairly obvious reasons there aren't a lot of ice rinks in Australia, and this may be a complete list of the rinks which are currently operating. I suspect that deletion is in order for notability reasons though. Nick-D (talk) 03:53, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Granted, ice skating in Australia may be not much more popular than surfing in Canada, but it's not unknown, as evidenced by the Australian Figure Skating Championships. However, the rule against directories would apply to a list of skating rinks anywhere.  I would add that there's a difference in notability between sports arenas that can host an ice event, and places where the general public can go skating for a few hours.  Even in the Big Banana, the ice-skating is only part of a much larger amusement park.  Mandsford (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Happy Holidays 02:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep if its true that "only rinks with the potential to have articles are included". Scaldi (talk) 22:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If that were true, however, then this wouldn't be the online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Mandsford (talk) 02:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Inclusion guidelines have no bearing on the ability of people to edit Wikipedia - Mgm|(talk) 17:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per some comments above. --Knowzilla 19:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - This article contains useful information for a small but relevent portion of the readership. It is not "too broad", it's just a list of facilities. If at some point in the future Australia builds many more rinks and the article becomes ridiculously long, it could be split up into states. As long as the material is verified, I support inclusion. A list of venues for ice skating, all of which are by definition quite expensive facilities, is certainly "worthy of note".--Yeti Hunter (talk) 13:17, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:N is more than being "worthy of note". For a subject to be included on wikipedia per WP:N, the topic has to have significant coverage in reliable sources.  Try to find significant coverage in reliable sources of the topic "ice rinks in Austrailia".  If it hasn't been talked about, it isn't notable.  Themfromspace (talk) 17:08, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been talked about. The Ice Skating Australia page talks about it. I'm not from Australia, but here in Virginia I've heard of friends and colleagues talking about what rinks there are in the area, I have no doubt similar conversations happen down under. This is a useful resource for someone looking for information, why does it not belong? Coastalsteve984 (talk) 04:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - While I'm generally not a fan of lists like this, this one does serve a legit and useful purpose. Coastalsteve984 (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What purpose would that be?  Mandsford (talk) 14:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.