Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of influential Muslims of the 16th Century


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  19:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

List of influential Muslims of the 16th Century

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Unclear inclusion criteria ... "influential", lacks sourcing. WP:NOR Ajf773 (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Islam-related deletion discussions. Ajf773 (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep? Each name should have a citation next to it, but I thought the idea of this list seems sound, I see nothing wrong with it other than failing to have no citations per name. Govvy (talk) 12:53, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or rename and describe inclusion criteria. It could be an interesting list, but seems to be largely royalty/aristocracy - it doesn't include several people in the List of pre-modern Arab scientists and scholars, for example, including a jurist and theologian, a geographer, a qadi and historian, a physician, mathematician, clockmaker and astronomer, and an Islamic scholar and mystic. There are several other lists of Muslim scientists and scholars which also include 16th century notables, who could surely be called 'influential'. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:59, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as a valid encyclopedic topic, passes WP:NLIST, sources are easy to find in the individual articles so current sourcing is not a reason to delete, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't generally cross-categorise based on religion and we certainly don't for people being "influential". Who gets to decide who is influential? Ajf773 (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and perhaps rename. The inclusion criteria, while perhaps not explicit, are implied by the section titles. This is a List of 16th-century office holders in the Islamic world. Pburka (talk) 23:47, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as too broad and ill-defined. Daughters and most (though not all) of the wives of sultans weren't particularly "influential", religious leaders already have their own list (List of 16th-century religious leaders), Ottoman sultans don't really need a sublist of List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire, etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete "Influential" is an arbitrary and subjective criteria for inclusion. If one deleted that word, it is basically just a category intersection. I don't see what value a list adds to categories in this very broad case. SJK (talk) 16:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete lists of people by religion by century are just too broad.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:25, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete this list of pashas, princesses and religious leaders - these are some of the subheads. "influential" is far to vague a definition for a List.  many names are not bluelinked, but even if all of the non-bluelinked ones were deleted, clicking on some of the names leaves me puzzles ad to what makes some of them "influential"  - the sole sourced statements regarding Ismihan Sultan is that she bore two sons and that, according to a legend, she "suffered" in her marriage.  We have already a list of List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire. Mostly, I'm just wondering how we ope rationalize "influential."E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete this mess of WP:OR and WP:NPOV about some alleged "influence" that is offered unsupported. -The Gnome (talk) 13:05, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   18:32, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. What is "Influenital"? LakesideMiners My Talk Page 21:16, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless a source can be found for such a list, it fails WP:LISTN. There is in fact an article on an annual publication The 500 Most Influential Muslims, but without a source for a list for 16th century, it looks like WP:OR. Hzh (talk) 21:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)


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