Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at the BRSABV Ekana Cricket Stadium


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The result was procedural keep as a WP:TRAINWRECK. (non-admin closure) { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 21:59, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought XFDcloser would do these automatically, but I was very wrong. I've removed the nomination tags from each article, but couldn't be asked to add Old AfD to each talk page. If someone who sees this wants to do so, go for it. { {ping&#124;ClydeFranklin }} (t/c) 22:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

List of international cricket centuries at the BRSABV Ekana Cricket Stadium

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WP:NOTSTATS and no indication that this is a notable subject as a group. Centuries by player, by team, by event, okay, these all make sense (and are comparable to e.g. the same lists we have for football hat tricks). But what has the stadium to do with the century? Is a stadium "better", of higher quality, if it has seen more centuries? Stadiums which have housed more international matches or series will usually have more centuries, sure, and...?

Now, people will object that there are even Featured Lists among these. So, let's take a look at one, List of international cricket centuries at the Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium. The first 14 sources at the moment are not about centuries, so can be ignored here. The vast majority of the remaining sources are just statistics databases. The others are sources indicating that X or Y scored a century, not sources about the phenomenon of centuries at this stadium.

In short, only statistics about this subject are available, it isn't something that is a topic of interest for reliable sources otherwise. Most similar lists have already been deleted in 2021 after Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at Carisbrook and Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at Dubai International Cricket Stadium.

Also nominated are:
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Sydney Cricket Ground
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at Edgbaston
 * List of international cricket centuries at Headingley
 * List of international cricket centuries at Lord's
 * List of international cricket centuries at Old Trafford
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Oval
 * List of international cricket centuries at Trent Bridge
 * List of international cricket centuries at Arun Jaitley Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at Brabourne Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at the M. A. Chidambaram Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Eden Gardens
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Green Park Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Wankhede Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at Basin Reserve
 * List of international cricket centuries at Eden Park
 * List of international cricket centuries at Lancaster Park
 * List of international cricket centuries at Gaddafi Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at the National Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at Kingsmead Cricket Ground
 * List of international cricket centuries at Newlands Cricket Ground
 * List of international cricket centuries at St George's Park
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Wanderers Stadium
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Singhalese Sports Club Cricket Ground
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Kensington Oval
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Queen's Park Oval
 * List of international cricket centuries at Sabina Park
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Harare Sports Club
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Adelaide Oval
 * List of international cricket centuries at Bellerive Oval
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Gabba
 * List of international cricket centuries at the Melbourne Cricket Ground Fram (talk) 09:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Cricket and Lists. Fram (talk) 09:36, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep per WP:TRAINWRECK. Whilst some of these are probably not needed per WP:NOTSTATS, others are certainly notable and not just made up stats e.g. Lord's is famous for having an honours board for centurions. We shouldn't be lumping together grounds with 5 centuries ever (which don't need lists) with those that have hundreds of centuries, because they aren't comparable. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * We have Lord's honours boards, which isn't up for deletion. That these boards are known doesn't mean that listing everyone on them is in any way wanted here. There is no reason why something jappened once or 200 times should make a difference either (one could just as well argue that if a stadium has seen hundreds of centuries, then it is hardly a remarkable feat any longer surely?). Fram (talk) 09:50, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Procedural keep in favour of a proper discussion. The problem is that this is complex. Th lead list in this list of lists should clearly be redirected with a merge to the stadium; some of the others might also be - at which point they'd be candidates to be split off as content forks. It would be more helpful to arrive at a way of doing that sensibly.
 * Centuries on grounds seem to be discussed quite widely - the xxth century on the ground, for example - as do the number of times someone scored a century on a ground. I can see a case for keeping based on that sort of coverage - see, for example, the links from the Lord's list which seem to use the xxth or nth quite frequently from a quick selection, or things like this article which discusses the place in the Lord's tally of centuries a number of times.
 * The point that these are sourced only to statistical databases can, I imagine in almost every case, be dismissed - almost all of these matches will have been covered in prose form in Wisden - for example, phttps://www.espncricinfo.com/story/australia-v-england-1884-85-153648 this] is almost certainly the Wisden about the first match at the Adelaide Oval in which a century was scored; it makes reference to both century makers in detail. There will, of course, be coverage of this in Australian and British contemporary newspapers as well. I don't see it as difficult - other than the time involved - to add at least two prose sources to each list item if that were required.
 * There are plenty of cases where there are far too many statistics in an article that are non notable. I'm not sure that that's the case in at least some of these lists. On that ground I think we need to keep and discuss and reach a compromise - it's possible that this AfD becomes that discussion of course, in which case I'll revisit my opinion. Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:02, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I need to remove Lord's, as that one seems a bit different: I'll wait for a few more comments. In general though, I can see sources noting that X was the first century at a stadium, and of course the remainder is in itself verifiable (match X was at stadium Y, and player Z made a century), but are there sources for the list topic as a group (sources discussing the centuries at a stadium)? Does any non-statistical source pay attention to the list of centuries at a stadium, is the 10th or 20th century noted, ...? If not, then the list is not notable and not a good stand-alone topic, and undue inside an article on the stadium. I gave in the nom the example of the FL List of international cricket centuries at the Sher-e-Bangla National Cricket Stadium, which despite being a featured list has not a single such source. Or take another featured list, List of international cricket centuries at the Adelaide Oval. Stats and match reports, but non-stat sources about the list of centuries? The lead is completely based on statistics. It should be relatively easy to demonstrate for this one, in an affluent English-language country, that the list topic truly is notable surely? Fram (talk) 08:28, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Lord's is certainly a special case, and I always have the same feeling about the MCG fwiw.
 * I do understand the logic behind your argument - although I imagine we'd find some stuff on some grounds in the depths of the (mainly unindexed) ACS journal archive. But I gave up a long time ago trying to understand the featured list process, and tend to think that on pragmatic grounds these lists would probably be stuck on the ground page and then split off again. At least they're vaguely presentable on the whole. I'll dig around for stuff on Adelaide - there is a book from the 70s that I don't have a copy of that might be helpful - but for me this is as much about pragmatism as anything else. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:16, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Procedural keep per Joseph2302. There are certain cases here amongst the more historical cricket grounds which merit individual discussion. Lord's, The Oval, MCG, ect. StickyWicket (talk) 23:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Worldbruce (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment, this has been a discussion point before: Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries at Carisbrook. This article and a bundle of others were deleted in this AfD. Ajf773 (talk) 20:38, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep all. No indication that a proper WP:BEFORE was done on all these lists. A terrible example of WP:TRAINWRECK, unexpected from User:Fram. For example, I found coverage about centuries at Adelaide Oval with a simple search query—there's ton of coverage:, , a book that establishes notability. 114.78.248.3 (talk) 23:20, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You know that books is about a century as in "100 years", not a book about the centuries? E.g. our list includes Tip Snooke, who scored a century in 1911: no trace of Snooke in that book. Basil Butcher, 1969? No, not mentioned. Obviously many others are mentioned, as important matches and players are described: but the book is not really interested in the topic of "international cricket centuries", but solely with 100 years of the Oval. So no, that book doesn't establish notability. Fram (talk) 09:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


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