Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Kagiso Rabada


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Between deletion, merging, draftifying, and the nominator being blocked as a sock, there's nothing even closely resembling a consensus here. ansh 666 04:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Kagiso Rabada

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Even though I am South African myself, I see no point in an article like this about a player (Rabada) still in the early stages of his career. It is a list for the sake of having a list and should be removed under the terms of policy supplement WP:TOOMUCH. I am adding Philander and Shah because they too are below agreed minimum (see below) for a list of this kind. Protea caffra (talk) 19:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. L3X1  ◊distænt write◊  21:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. L3X1  ◊distænt write◊  21:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)


 * My personal belief is this list fails WP:NOTSTATS however we have a category of 50 lists of five-wicket haul articles by other cricketers: Category:Lists of international cricket five-wicket hauls by player. We can't simply single this article out from the other 50 unless we are willing to discuss the criteria of having all other 49. Ajf773 (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * He may be a young player. But his ability as one of the finest bowlers in modern day is not fade by that. He is the number one bowler in rankings. So how we say that his five wicket hauls are not require. Great Murali, Warne, Kumble like players have achieved the feat and Rabada still counting on that as his partner Vernon Philander. So you can't delete a five wicket haul page. They are no even found in Cricinfo for each player. It is valuable for Wikipedia in that sense. Gihan Jayaweera (talk) 9:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * They aren't on ESPN Cricinfo?? You sure about that?  . Ajf773 (talk) 04:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I believe the requirements for these type of lists is a minimum of fifteen five-wicket hauls, per the navigtion template. I'll drop a note on the talkpage of the Cricket Project for further input. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:05, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanking you for the figure. I did wonder if there was one. Hadn't thought to check the template. Protea caffra (talk) 12:18, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete fails to meet the criteria of 15 five-wicket hauls. Recreate when reached. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 20:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge all. This info used to be in Rabada's article, see, it was taken out and so someone else created this article. I can see no reason this info should have be removed from the players article in the first place. Szzuk (talk) 21:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears there was some kind of RFC at the cricket project and this type of table in player articles was deemed no good, can someone link? Szzuk (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, there, Szzuk. Not sure but it looks like this may be it. There is also this addition to the cricket project style guide. Do those help? Protea caffra (talk) 08:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That is the info, thank you! The RFC on whether these tables are included in player articles ended in no consensus so I think we default to deciding on a case by case basis, as someone obviously wants these boxes enough to create a separate article and I personally find them useful it is merge all for me. Szzuk (talk) 09:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It did end as a non-consensus, but with the closing note of "However, swathes of numbers or lists of awards, empty of content or context, are not appropriate for Wikipedia", which 99% of these tables (within articles) are. However, I think these lists should be moved to draftspace until a time they reach the 15-mark, and then moved back as articles, if they are of sufficent quality.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:40, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - Philander is pretty close to the 15 mark - do we really want to delete/merge and then have to recreate in a month or two, considering the way he is playing? Gbawden (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin
 * The user that started this discussion has now "retired" after suspicions were raised about them being a sock of a blocked user. I'd recommend this is closed, with no objection to another user raising this at AfD, if they feel strongly about it.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:38, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And the creator of the AfD has been blocked as a sock.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 11:17, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   11:19, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.