Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Rangana Herath


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Rangana Herath. It is useful when a general consensus can be had so that AfDs become lower stakes - certain articles don't get nominated while other articles, which don't satisify the general consensus (whether formal or informal) get deleted without objection. This kind of sorting seems to be at play with Cricket at the moment and so it is not surprising some articles end up merge while others end up delete. That is a long preamble to say that the consensus for this particular article clearly seems to be that it shouldn't exist (hence the preponderance of delete) but also an openness that there might be information worth saving (hence noting acceptance for a limited merge by several editors who bolded delete). Redirecting seems to be the underlying consensus given that information remains available to merge, should someone wish and in accordance with WP:ATD, but also will no longer be a separate independent article with the close of this discussion. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:01, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Rangana Herath

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Fails WP:NLIST which says, "a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Also, note that there was a RfC on this and the consensus on WP:CRIC was to remove these statistics from bios per WP:NOTSTATS. Störm  (talk)  07:28, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:04, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sri Lanka-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to Rangana Herath (removing details of the batsmen dismissed). No issues with inclusion in the main subject article, per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:SPLIT, and would enhance the content there. International five-wicket hauls are a noteworthy achievement, and by definition, a list of them within the main article has the necessary context and explanation, so does not fail NOTSTATS in this regard. Unfortunately the nom seems to be misrepresenting the consensus of the cited RFC, which closed: "There's no consensus here that they should universally be included. Nor is there a clear consensus that such sections should be removed from all cricketer articles." wjematherplease leave a message... 14:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The wikiproject cricket consensus was that these were fine if they had 20+ five-wicket hauls, which Ntini has. Herath has the 7th most of any cricketer ever. Improve rather than delete. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:25, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete with the possibility of some prose being added to the player's article. These sorts of tables need to be supported by prose and considered on an individual basis if they're going to be included on the individual's article. I would rather see a summary added than a table such as this - if this were added it needs to be massively cut down to ensure that it doesn't take over the page, in particular the batter's dismissed and economy rate are really not needed. Blue Square Thing (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:NOTSTATS/WP:RAWDATA. "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources." This article is just a list of scores from ESPNCricinfo and has no independent sources covering these individual achievements as a set. Agree with nom that there should be no precedent to include these on players' articles. Ajf773 (talk) 08:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which is why it needs improving, not deleting. We have FLs for cricketers with fewer five wicket hauls than Herath, and the fact he has the sixth most means there will be text that can be added. Which is way more sensible than this deletion crusade. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:52, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:39, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note to AFD closer recent afds were closed as Merge - Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Faf du Plessis (2nd nomination); Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Marvan Atapattu; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Cheteshwar Pujara, Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Michael Hussey; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Desmond Haynes; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Colin Cowdrey; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Martin Crowe; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Wally Hammond; Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Justin LangerDavidstewartharvey (talk) 14:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The following also resulted in DELETE: Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Mushfiqur Rahim, Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Upul Tharanga and Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Shakib Al Hasan while these following articles resulted in redirection to player's article: Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Michael Atherton, Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Tom Latham, Articles for deletion/List of international cricket centuries by Dinesh Chandimal. With all of these lists of centuries or five-wicket hauls for players we are getting mixed outcomes. Admin needs to allow greater discussions (longer than a week) on all AfD's without resulting to arbitrary outcomes. Ajf773 (talk) 08:50, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete (or Merge) consistent with the relatively established practice apparent from above note to closer, where the voluminous raw data charts are not included. Also: adding text to a WP:RAWDATA article, which text isn't sustainable on it's own or would better find it's place in the primary article, does not make it not-a-WP:RAWDATA article. Basically whichever specific intervention is the most consistent whereby the standalone article is no more. — Alalch Emis (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - No evidence of notability for this list although a careful and greatly restricted merge would be acceptable. The complete insertion of the table would not be appropriate.  Velella  Velella Talk 19:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.