Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of international goals scored by Alex Morgan


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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 22:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

List of international goals scored by Alex Morgan

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Per this, this, this, this, and this, we don't keep these types of articles unless they are or were the top goalscorer for their country.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge/redirect back to parent article per recent AFD consensus (see e.g. this and this. GiantSnowman 22:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - based on comments below and elsewhere, probably merits a separate article. GiantSnowman 17:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep 107 goals in the list, no way should this be merged back. In fact, cleaned up and the lead expanded on this is FL material. Govvy (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Alex Morgan's article is already very large so I don't think merging this back would be appropriate. This seems like a sensible fork. I also think that 100 international goals is a significant achievement so a stand-alone list is justifiable. Spiderone  10:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per featured list examples: List of international goals scored by Abby Wambach + List of international goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo. Hmlarson (talk) 01:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Those articles have fully fleshed out lead sections filled with sources, unlike the Alex Morgan one. Also, Abby Wambach and C. Ronaldo are both the top scorers for their nations, unlike Alex Morgan.  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 20:53, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Right, and you think the same won't be done for one of the most globally-known players? Please. Hmlarson (talk) 18:33, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * These international goal lists have been controversial since they started but I see no reason why Alex Morgan wouldn't warrant one. It's too large to be in the article and her goalscoring exploits have had enough coverage, in my view. If anything, we need more of these (e.g. Carli Lloyd and Mia Hamm) so we should be expanding rather than trimming these. Spiderone  15:53, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Merge back to parent article per above comments. I believe the consensus is for a merge or redirect for all similar articles.  // Timothy ::  talk  20:18, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There is no direct consensus, scorer lists are normally content forked when too big for the main article. Putting this back in can break the data size and would make a good chunk of the article unreadable too many mobile brands. I also feel you should review some of your other comments on these AfD articles and look at the size of each article.  Govvy (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Considering the size and large amount of information on the main article in question, it would be more prudent to keep the 107 goals list and not merge it back to the main article. More effort should rather be put into the goals list article rather get it cleaned up and expanded to serve its purpose. Ampimd (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete outright, do not merge. The parent article already contains a brief summary of this information, and that is (more than) enough. This list is WP:INDISCRIMINATE and should never have been created in the first place; the list of goals belongs not in an encyclopaedia, but on a fansite or similar. This applies to all these lists, including featured ones such as List of international goals scored by Abby Wambach and List of international goals scored by Cristiano Ronaldo. We also should not have List of 100 meter dashes by Usain Bolt or List of pole vaults by Sergey Bubka. Editors need to learn to summarize this information instead of exhaustively enumerating each example. To put it another way, we should strive to write Climate of London, not List of rainy days in London. TompaDompa (talk) 01:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Nomination feels vaguely WP:POINTy, while comparisons to journeymen mid-carders like Sylvain Wiltord and Roman Pavchenko are hardly comparing like with like. As others have said I think we have the makings of a featured list here. Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Considering the Alex Morgan article is already at 133,166 bytes and this article might have potential to go for a featured list with time and patience. This doesn't need an outright delete. HawkAussie (talk) 02:03, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I also agree that this had to be judged on basis independent of other AfDs. Mohanabhil (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge don't see why Alex Morgan should have this kind of page, if it's deleted for other footballers.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:02, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Over 100 goals should warrant a separate page per content forking, and as it is the parent article is large. --SuperJew (talk) 12:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep the "top per-country" rule seems stupid to me. If we're going to have these pages at all, it should be fine to have them for anyone in the all-time top 10.  With over 100, there's a clear size argument to split this from the main article on Alex Morgan. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep well-referenced, easily meets GNG, too big for Alex Morgan. Nfitz (talk) 18:51, 28 December 2020 (UTC)


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