Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of jazz clubs 2


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The result was keep. IronGargoyle 20:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

List of jazz clubs

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Nominating per DRV discussion. See also Articles for deletion/List of jazz clubs. Note to admins: Do not speedy close this. Allow it to run for its entire course to build sufficient consensus. Srikeit 17:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think its worth repeating that the addition of locations to this article brings it more in line with the precedence set by longer-existing and as-yet uncontested articles such as List of opera houses and List of indoor arenas. WP should be accessible to the masses, and lists such as these make it so. As a non-jazz fan, this is the only way I would access these articles. Looking up tedious amounts of embedded categories is for researchers - not general users. WP should be accessible. - Freechild 18:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Keep. - Freechild 18:01, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm betting this is going to turn into a heated list vs category debate. I think that this list is in keeping with precendents mentioned by Freechild.  Some might have bias against jazz clubs as less high-brow than an opera house.  I could see this list turning into a great big red-link farm, if people try to add in every non-notable jazz club in their neighborhood.  However, with a little maintenance to avoid that, the list would be of notable jazz clubs.  Definitely can be categorized as cool. &mdash; Gaff  ταλκ 18:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete not much different than a list of bars that feature XXX genre of music and not more useful. Carlossuarez46 18:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - Make it into Category:Jazz clubs. What purpose does a list serve? -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 18:31, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment. I created Category:Jazz clubs specifically to contrast with List of jazz clubs. One is clearly useful, the other is clearly hard-to-use. This list makes WP easier to use. - Freechild 18:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. A list frequently shows more information than a category page (in this case, the city and state  in which the club is located) or can be organized in a more helpful manner.  The additional information makes the list useful in a way that a category never could be. -- DS1953 talk  23:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions.  -- Pax:Vobiscum 18:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep as long as list is limited to notable jazz clubs. Should also be organized by location, rather than alphabetically. DHowell 05:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I re-organized the list according to location, as per DHowell's suggestion. - Freechild 16:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Very weak keep Although "handy" I am not convinced a list is the answer to everything. For now give it a chance to mature. Nomen Nescio Gnothi seauton 13:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep Especially as it is now -- splitting by Geography, this could be a very useful list. Jazz clubs are historical locations, and their geogrpahic distribution is signifigant, since they started in an era where communication of musical ideas was taking place in these locations as much if not more than it ws on records. This is valuable to the layperson and to researchers. Blueswalk 05:18, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.