Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of killings by law enforcement officers by countries


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure). Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

List of killings by law enforcement officers by countries

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Unclear what this list is about. Are the killings unlawful? If so, are they done "on the job", or by a law enforcement officer in their spare time? It mentions China, is that Republic of China or the People's Republic of China? The reference of Brazil says "At least 2,212 people were killed by the police in Brazil in 2013, according to the Brazilian Public Security Forum, an independent research group, and experts say the actual number is probably substantially higher because some states do not report killings by their police forces." So the source self says the number is unreliable. Seems like WP:SYNTH to me. Soetermans. T / C 13:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   TALK    21:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  Human 3015   TALK    21:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * A good place to ask these questions would have been the creator's talk page before starting an AFD. They're clearly brand new and nominating their only contribution for deletion within a day after they created it without trying to discuss it with them first is rather WP:BITEy (even if it should ultimately be deleted). postdlf (talk) 21:26, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Seconded.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   14:26, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You're right, I should've done so. I'll leave a personal message at their talk page. --Soetermans. T / C 10:20, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes I agree. See WP:ODNT too.   You might coax them towards a merge with Lists of killings by law enforcement officers, that is, make this (latter) article more than just a list and add some encyclopedic value to it.  Aoziwe (talk) 14:18, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 06:07, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep the topic looks perfectly encyclopedic and I'm not seeing a coherent rationale for deletion. It is obvious from the links given that plenty of reliable sources on the topic of the number of people killed by law enforcement in various countries and territories, and that there are many organisations which try to come up with estimates. I don't view the quotation above as saying that the number is unreliable, just that it's a conservative estimate rather than an exact figure. We have plenty of lists of figures where the available reliable sources can't be precise or where they differ - we just indicate that and if they disagree we give the competing estimates. Look at List of wars by death toll where the estimates differ by tens of millions. More sources and statistics would certainly help and may answer some of the questions raised above, although honestly some of the answers are pretty obvious (no, these aren't unlawful killings, and "China" almost certainly refers to the PRC as in common usage). That's hardly a reason for deletion though.  Hut 8.5  23:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep/Merge: I agree the article should be merged with Lists of killings by law enforcement officers. --OpenFuture (talk) 07:07, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:42, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to Lists of killings by law enforcement officers - per WP:LISTN. It seems notable per the sources cited, and seems to meet WP:LISTN.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   05:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


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