Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of kings by amount of territory conquered


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 19:34, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

List of kings by amount of territory conquered

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Incredibly short article that lists a total of two kings, with absolutely no other information. Any attempt to rewrite or improve would require a total re-do of the entire article. CoconutOctopus  talk  19:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Military,  and Royalty and nobility.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:10, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment It previously had nine entries.   D r e a m Focus  20:15, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete unsourced since 2015. Essentially original research and unverifiable since the exact square kilometrage of ancient conquests cannot be verified. Mccapra (talk) 21:32, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete 9, 2, doesn’t matter; it’s unsourced and there’s no evidence this is a notable concept. Dronebogus (talk) 21:45, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NLIST. We have a list of largest empires, but nobody of note has, as far as I can tell, ranked them by conqueror. There is this one list, which shows its lack of "eptitude" by putting George W. Bush at no. 10! (Nitpick: Ghenghis Khan was not a mere king.)Clarityfiend (talk) 07:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The one list offered above shows how arbitary this is. It puts on the list Adolf Hitler, who at the end of his life essentially controlled no where. There are too many things that need to be defined. I would argue that the most logical measure would be comparing the territory ruled by a person when they came to hold office as opposed to when they left office. However defining this is incredibly hard. That is the other thing with that linked above list. It includes Francisco Pizarro, who was not a head of state. However much of this assumes that it is much easier to define what a country rules and conquesrs than it is. How much of India was under British rule at any given time. How much territory was conquered by FDR? How much was conquered by Stalin? Do we count only direct anexations? how about places that were protectorates? How do we treat "conquests" under George II and George III? The Battle of Abraham Plains happens when George II is still king, but the formal agreement on exactly what was transfered where was later? At the same time there are multiple places where the Brtish take control in the 7 years war (some Caribbean islands, I believe even Cuban, and clearly part of the Phillipines) that they hand back over to the French and Spanish at the end of the war. Does the Louisiana purchase count as a "conquest" by Jefferson? It is technically a voluntary sale by France. On the other hand, when Jefferson left office in 1809, in much of the claimed limits of the Louisian Purchase American power was not really recognized by the residents. Nor were the exact boundaries between American and Spanish authority defined until about 10 years after that, in in many ways those boundaries ignored the fact that in large areas it was really the Comanches who possessed real power. I have not even gotten into the equally perplexing question of if it is land or land + controlled water we are measuring. There is no easy way to define this, which is probably why very few people have ever tried to define it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:11, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Does not meet notability guidelines Proton Dental (talk) 23:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete John Pack Lambert makes a very good case.  D r e a m Focus  08:14, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


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