Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of knife discussion forums


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Tone 21:06, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

List of knife discussion forums

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I don't see how this list meets the notability guidelines for Lists. PROD, and Notability tags were removed. Yazan (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions.  —Yazan (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep this is a new list, it has some sources. Editor only created it a few days ago .--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * List was created on Feb 26. 5 days ago. Yazan (talk) 16:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, ok, whatever Thanks.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR unless it can be shown that there are any notable knife discussion forums meriting such a list. The only two bluelinks on the page are for articles on companies, not the forums those companies supposedly maintain, and I couldn't find even any mention in those articles of the forums.  Which makes this list too far attenuated from notable topics, in my judgment, to make it anything more than a web directory contra WP:NOTDIR.  postdlf (talk) 17:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Question I don't keep up much on lists of things on Wikipedia, I know they exist, but that's about it. Would it make sense to keep it then, if the forums in question had their own wikipedia entries?  If that's the case then I can understand deleting it. --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You can read here about stand-alone lists notability requirements: WP:LISTN. Yazan (talk) 17:43, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks, that's what I was looking for. Did you ever make the editor who created the list aware of that?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Editor was notified here. Yazan (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks again.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - information has been assimilated into another article.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:18, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the list items are notable. (The two bluelinks are blue because they're knife companies, not because their forums are notable.) Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 20:42, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - Your statement confirms to me that you know absolutely nothing about the notability of these knife discussion forums. However, I will give you a chance, so why do you feel bladeforums.com is not notable? Zabanio (talk) 22:18, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Create an article and source it. The burden is on you. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 23:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: There are 7 print sources in the article. Three from knife-related magazines, two from knife-related books, two from books about cooking.  There are others out there as well, I'm not a fan of lists on wikipedia, but could an article be written entitled "Knife-related Forums" or something similar, mentioning the forums in question and their impact on knife collecting as a hobby and even how certain forums have changed the "rules of the game" of knife collecting.  For instance, some knife makers have become quite popular on forums, gaining an exposure they never would have had if they relied on the old methods of travelling to knife shows or selling at local gun shows and craft fairs?  I know of several makers who were doing this the old way and when they were able to reach a wider audience via the forums, they not only received more orders, but became more like factories...hiring workers and refining production methods to meet the demand.  More importantly there have been a multitude of articles the past few years pointing out this trend.  There have even been articles in specialty publications telling makers and collectors how to take advantage of these forums, etc.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:39, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If the sources provide all that context and substance for the topic, then yes, it is theoretically possible to write an article on the topic. So good luck.  But while some forums may merit a mention in that hypothetical article, if sourced and relevant to a point (e.g., the first such forum, the most populous, etc.), that still wouldn't in and of itself justify a list such as this, no more than blog being notable as a concept merits a list of all blogs.  postdlf (talk) 23:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood, I'm speaking about a comprehensive article just about these types of forums in general. RecDotKnives being the oldest, bladeforums being the largest with over 100K members, UsualSuspectsNetwork the largest with regard to Custom Knives and promoter of their own Knife Show, etc. I have seen articles about individual forums (bladeforumsDOTcom for example) created and deleted in the past.  To say these forums are not notable when they have been written about in books and periodicals is incorrect and I don't feel each Forum rates its own article.  However, a comprehensive article about the forums in general and their impact in the worlds of knife collecting and knife making sounds like a good article to me.  Then again what do I know?  I have never edited a Family Guy article the entire time I've been on Wiki.:)--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 23:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - The "notability" issue can be determined on a forum by forum basis by simply visually inspecting the aggregate number of posts at the forums. Zabanio (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The number of forum posts is not a recognized standard on Wikipedia for the notability of websites. See WP:WEB for website-specific inclusion standards.  postdlf (talk) 22:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: there is absolutely no mention of Internet forums on the WP:WEB. If someone were to add a section about Internet forums no doubt "post count" and "number of members" would factor into notability, it is only common sense. Zabanio (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - per WP:NOTDIR Yaksar (let's chat) 23:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions.  -- Danger (talk) 21:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR. No indication that knife discussion forums are notable.  &mdash;SW&mdash; comment 23:41, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment I notified members of the Wikipedia Cutlery Project of this discussion, to weigh in and offer their opinion as the list was created by a member of the Project for the project.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:27, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep We don't seem to have any coverage of knife collecting or knife (hobby) though these support  a notable industry of knife makers and dealers.  There are print magazines and books, let alone online forums, and so we might best develop this into a more general article.  As for specific sources, one can immediately find items like The development of controversies or Boats, Bikes, and Boxing Gloves so more time should be allowed for research and development of the topic. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:39, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No one is asserting that knife collecting or the knife industry in general is not notable. No one is asserting that there aren't numerous magazines and books related to knives and knife collecting.  No one is asserting that online forums for knife collecting don't actually exist, but we are asserting that they are not notable.  That is why there are no blue links in this article (except for the two which lead to articles on knife manufacturers, not knife discussion forums).  This is a directory of purely non-notable items, which should be deleted per WP:NOTDIR.  &mdash;SW&mdash; confabulate 17:07, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment It seems to me that this list would be more appropriate once articles on the various knife discussion forums existed, and even then, a category for such forums would initially serve the same function as a list. I suppose that this comment means I am a reluctant delete, but I prefer to leave it to others to decide. --DThomsen8 (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Move to an article on Knife collecting and merely add this as a section at the bototm of notable websites related to the hobby. It certainly aint encyclopedic in its own right. Now a thorough article on knife collecting in general would suffice.♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:19, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note The article has been created and the section has been added. It's a pretty good article, if I may add.--Yaksar (let's chat) 19:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTLINK and WP:ELNO.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: this is publicly accessible anony IP number. Zabanio (talk) 19:39, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete all lists of fora. A discussion forum is not notable with very few exceptions.  MLA (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete No need for a list of forums.Halofanatic333 (talk) 12:45, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.