Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of large ancient ships


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The result was keep. per clear consensus, I have moved the article to List of ancient ships. (non-admin closure) -- Puddleglum 2.0 (How's my driving?) 16:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

List of large ancient ships

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There's a basic OR problem with this article because "large" and "ancient" can mean different things to different people. The current list includes ships from the 3rd century BC to the 15th century. Moreover, most of the content is already in List of longest wooden ships as it's pretty clear that any reasonable definition of "ancient" excludes boats using more modern materials. Finally, two of the four boats on the list have dimensions that are the subject of much speculation. Pichpich (talk) 21:19, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 21:32, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Indiscriminate list criteria. Ajf773 (talk) 00:53, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect . The criteria could be made clearer, but it would still largely duplicate List of longest wooden ships. If anything is missing, merge, then redirect per WP:ATD. pburka (talk) 02:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename per Andrew. pburka (talk) 15:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep The word "large" in the title is redundant because ships are inherently large. Otherwise, the scope of the list seems fine.  It passes WP:LISTN because there are substantial sources available such as Ancient ships.  And we have an equivalent category ancient ships and so, per WP:CLN, a list is ok too. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename List of ancient ships per Andrew. Size doesn't matter, as any example will be notable. Then delete I've deleted Chinese treasure ship, which is a type, not an individual ship, which fixes the problem of it not being ancient (Ancient history). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That leaves just three list entries, hardly worth keeping unless it can be merged with another list of ships. Also can someone please give us a definition for ancient? Are we talking 100 years, 1000 years, B.C.??? Ajf773 (talk) 07:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ancient history says up to about 500 AD. pburka (talk) 12:48, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Category:Ancient ships has lots more, even when you exclude ship types. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI, there's also Category:Medieval ships for newer ones. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * KEEP As others have stated just rename it to List of ancient ships. Add things from the existing category to make it complete.   D r e a m Focus  19:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep but move as proposed above. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 10:04, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm confused about this article, and I was shocked to see that it only has three ship entries. Others are right that the two criteria are subjective and not helpful in forming a list. I don't really get why this would be an article right now. If someone is really interested, they should ask that this be sent to their sandbox so they can beef it up with more entries before making a page out of it. Ikjbagl (talk) 04:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:LC items 1 and 10. Stifle (talk) 15:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


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