Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of last games released for video game consoles (Second Nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Deletion, not a single reference, and the information has been split into respective console articles --Steve (Stephen)talk 06:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

List of last games released for video game consoles

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This article was considered for deletion on 16 October 2006. No consensus was reached for deleting it at that time; however, over the past seven months, I feel that the situation has changed. In the previous discussion, Wikipedians seemed to be concerned that the information in the article was useful and interesting. In general, I agree with this; however, I feel that the individual pieces of information are valuable, while, as a list, it is not particularly useful. Because of this, I added the template to each section, direction editors to the new pages. Then, deciding to "be bold" as a fairly new Wikipedian, I took some initiative and did it myself. Now, all of the consoles' articles contain the information in this list, making it outdated. Finally, none of the information in this piece seems to be cited, although it is corroborated by other articles (without citation). In short, this piece is no longer needed, and I think it should be deleted.  b w o w e n  T / C  01:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete The article had poor focus to begin with and all of the information has been merged into the respective articles for the consoles. There is nothing unique left in this article and nothing to redirect to.  Leebo  T / C  01:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment hmm, this information has been merged, but there's not really that much to merge except simple factual information. Still, I don't know if the GFDL applies or not.  FrozenPurpleCube 01:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep and Expand To restate what I said last time, the problem as it stands now is that it's so small. I hate to throw around the word 'useful', but it's actually something that could be used as a point of research, which is what an encyclopedia is for, is it not? The problem with "merge" (which has been done already) is that it doesn't give the whole context in the first place -- that of how long the systems had games released for them. If it's expanded, adding which "party", as well as lincenced/unlicenced, it could very easily make a worthwhile list. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 02:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea. Make a Timeline of video game consoles which would cover initial release, last release, and possibly other significant events in the history of all the consoles?  There's separate articles on each generation, but History of video games is perhaps a bit broad a subject.  FrozenPurpleCube 03:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like that idea too, provided it does NOT add more than objective marks -- in other words, keep games like Donkey Kong Country and Final Fantasy VII (to use two potential 'breakthrough' type games) off the lists, and keep to first, last, and maybe even stuff like first dual shock game and first SNES game with an extra chip, etc. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 03:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply: This is a pretty good idea, as the information contained in this article does seem to have some merit to some people; however, I think that it would be best served if it were made into a section in History of video games. That would help to cut down on the excess of pages about the same topic, which is what I was trying to do by merging this information. Regardless about how you or I feel about this new idea, though, it is a subject that is something of a tangent. Although it is important to decide what to do from here, and although I really appreciate the new ideas that are coming out of this discussion, I feel that it is being derailed to some extent as well. People in favor of the new idea would easily be confused into saying "Keep," when really they want to "Delete" this one and create the new timeline - either in History of video games or somewhere new altogether.  b w o w e n  T / C  04:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * History of video games is way too cluttered, and it already has separate pages for the various generations of consoles anyway. I would consider a timeline page to be a useful way to provide a broader picture to what is right now, not going to present the information very clearly.  If you want to think of it as a spin-off section of that page you can, as that is sorta what it's meant to be.  In any case, while it may be a bit distracting for folks to see this AFD with this other idea in it, it's still a solution that I think is the most suitable, so it's important that folks see it.  Even if they don't though, hopefully the closing admin will pay close attention to this, and decide accordingly.  FrozenPurpleCube 15:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong delete. Hideous fancruft only of interest to a small few. The information on what was the last commerically released game for each console should be mentioned in the article for that console. There's no need for...this. --FuriousFreddy 02:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So, you agree that mentioning this information is valid in the individual, but object to the compilation? How do you feel about the idea I suggested  above? FrozenPurpleCube 03:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to a Timeline of video game consoles (no caps) article. --FuriousFreddy 03:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * KeepI really like Mister Manticore's suggestion above... I liked the list before reading it, but if it becomes more of a timeline, then it will be worthwhile...Balloonman 03:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the timeline idea, I don't think another article with an overlapping scope is the way to solve this one.  Leebo  T / C  03:45, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not another article in the sense that this article will be around afterwards, but instead, a refactoring of the purpose of this article to a larger one that expands the purpose of this article (collecting otherwise acceptable information) to the subject at large. IOW, this is about replacing this article with something better.  FrozenPurpleCube 03:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No one is stopping anyone from making the current article better while the discussion takes place. It's a 5 day process. It lacks sourcing and is generally poorly put together. I think it would work better as a part of the History of video games article though, rather than a separate article, personally.  Leebo  T / C  04:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourcing is an irrelevant objection in this case, since the primary objection isn't to the information's inclusion on Wikipedia (note how the nomination itself mentions it being moved already) and while History of video games is a possible place, it's so over-cluttered right now, that I think the information would be lost amid that sea. Thus my suggestion.  I bring up the idea rather than implementing it myself to try to get folk's opinion of this alternative.  FrozenPurpleCube 14:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge to the suggested new Timeline of video game consoles. In a void, last-release information is trivia. In a wider context, it is not.  In particular, this allows easy access to the lifetime of different consoles: how long were games being published for Playstation versus, say, the Jaguar?  Basically, I think a good article can be built with this information but not solely from this information.  Serpent&#39;s Choice 06:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete = |Homebrewed games still come out for older consoles, do those not count just because they are unofficial? This this article is inherently unworkable and should not exist, as what is a "last" game is entirely arbitrary. Tarc 12:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm seeing a easily made distinction between "last commercial" release and actions taken by fans. Even if they sold their work, it'd be easy to note a lack of license or even production.  FrozenPurpleCube 14:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * One specific issue with that is the recently released Beggar Prince, which is a commercial release, but shouldn't be considered the last release on the console. I'd suggest mentioning both. - 74.136.217.72 05:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge and Delete Each 'last game' can be mentioned in the corresponding console article and then list can be disbanded. the_undertow talk  22:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree, which is why I added the information to all of the respective console articles and nominated this for an AFD discussion. Thanks for your input!  b w o w e n  T / C  22:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem with merging and deleting is that that might run afoul of GFDL concerns, which require a history of edits be kept. Now if you looked up the facts on your own in other sources (which is probably necessary anyway, since this page isn't sourced), you'd be able to get past that.  But here's the thing, a collected representation of this information may still have value, as I suggested above with creation of a timeline page.  FrozenPurpleCube 23:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete didn't we just delete a "Last albums" type thing and this seems similar. Carlossuarez46 18:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete and maybe, if it is so important, make sure the info is put on respective articles. Biggspowd 21:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why do people never read the rest of the discussion before chiming in with their unexplained votes? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 21:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.