Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of live-action films based on cartoons and comics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of live-action films based on cartoons and comics

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This article duplicates information already split into more useful and better maintained lists: List of films based on English-language comics, List of films based on comic strips, List of films based on cartoons, and List of children's books made into feature films. Cartoons and comics are different enough formats that this page seems arbitrary, redundant, and unnecessary. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 06:02, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions.  —Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 06:02, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  —Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 06:02, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I suggest creating a category based on this rather than a list because there isn't much information on the lead section. Minima  c  ( talk ) 07:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are already categories for Films based on comics and Films based on comic strips. Why do we need a third category that merges these two for just live-action movies? Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete as Wikipedia is not a directory of links. Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  11:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a notable topic, and one of interest to many readers. The standards of inclusion are also clear. Of course a category would work too, but the list is a little easier to scan.  I'm sure that reliable sources have said something about this so more text could be added. Kitfoxxe (talk) 12:45, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not clear to me that this is a single "topic" as you have suggested. Comic books, cartoons, and comics strips are all separate formats. The page, as it currently exists, does not even indicate which of these three sources each film is based on...and to do so would simply be duplicating content that appears elsewhere. The exclusion of animated films from this list seems arbitrary as well. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment This one would work only as a dab page. No "keep", because I agree with the nominator that this short list has been superseded by List of films based on English-language comics, List of films based on comic strips, List of films based on cartoons, all of which are better (though not "much better", all three are still alphabetically arranged lists links of blue links that could tell more than they do about the items on the lists).  I hesitate on saying "delete", since (a) this could become a disambiguation page leading to the other three articles (I don't see the fourth article, children's books, being mentioned in the same breath as cartoons and comics) and (b) although nearly all of the films on those lists appear to be "live-action" (i.e., live actors rather than animation), none of them mention live action. Mandsford 12:48, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Films based on children's books, such as Stuart Little and the Cat in the Hat, appear on this list even though they would not seemingly meet the criteria for inclusion (see a thread on the article's talk page for further discussion of this). Films based on comic strips also do not fit the topic if the term "comics" is meant to include only comic books and graphic novels (see List of films based on comics for this usage of the term). The ambiguity as to what this page is meant to report seems to me to be another argument for deletion. I do not agree with Kitfoxxe that the standards of inclusion are clear - the current contents of this list would suggest otherwise. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 16:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, this list is redundant. If necessary, a disambiguation page can be made to the various sub-lists pages. It is a bit confusing: we have List of films based on manga, List of films based on comics, List of films based on cartoons, List of films based on comic strips, List of films based on English-language comics, and List of films based on French-language comics. Danski14(talk) 18:05, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was confused, and did not recognize the distinction is between Live action films and films in general. The lists I mentioned cover both. Perhaps this does warrant keeping. Danski14(talk) 18:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep because the list could be improved. For instance, I could see a sortable table with release date or country of production. That's something a category can't provide. Pichpich (talk) 02:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The issue here isn't whether lists provide more information than categories. The issue is whether we should keep an arbitrary list that duplicates more complete and better organized content available elsewhere on WP. Note all of the lists mentioned above that already include this content. The information you suggest adding could just as easily be added to those pages as well. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 03:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep and improve. The list at present needs augmentation by indicating at least what the cartoon or comic source is, and the year,, and possibly even the director--these serve as features helping navigation and browsing. If t is certainly not indiscriminate, as they are all notable   films by Wikipedia standards--a list of every film ever made  that was so based, such a list  would be indiscriminate . Similarly for objections about a "list of links" a list of links to other Wikipedia articles is exactly what lists are usually intended to be. The term refers to a list of external links, a link directory.  I think such a directory would be highly useful--I still remember the old alta vista-- but it is not part of the mission of Wikipedia, though it would make a good project.    DGG ( talk ) 07:16, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The question isn't whether these films pass notability guidelines. I agree that they do. The question is whether a list dedicated to this topic needs to exist if other pages with the same information already do. Here's an analogy: if there is a list of films based on poems and a list of films based on books. Is there any point to having a page that is a "list of live-action films based on poems and books"? I would say "no" because this pairing is arbitrary and the information already appears elsewhere. Same issue here. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust  Talk  Contribs  14:07, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep List of films based on English-language comics is great, but it doesn't properly list which films are cartoons, and which ones are live action. If that list could be clicked upon and instantly sorted, than this one wouldn't be necessary.  As it is, sometimes you want to see just the live action films listed.  The GiJoe live action film could be based on the toyline which the cartoon series and the comic book were both licensed from, and used to advertise it(they originally required both to include certain things to help promote particulate toys).  The same can be said about the Transformers, He-Man, and others.  Dungeons and Dragons has been made into a live action film, it starting as a game.  I think a list would be more useful if it was List of live-action films based on cartoons, comics, games, and toys.   D r e a m Focus  13:02, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I have created and continue to maintain the page List of films based on toys, which distinguishes between live action and animated films. I have also updated the page List of films based on cartoons to make this distinction clear as well. It would seem sensible to me to make this distinction clearer in similar pages as well. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 13:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed Dennis the Menace in there, it a comic strip. Garfield started as one first also.  Does saying comics include comic strips and comic books, or should both be listed in the title?   D r e a m Focus  13:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do we really need a lengthy list page called List of live-action films based on cartoons, comics, comic strips, and toys? Also, what makes live action films based on these properties warrant their own list? Would there also need to be List of animated films based on cartoons, comics, comic strips, and toys? Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 13:47, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * But what about books and musicals? List of live-action films based on cartoons, comics, comic strips, toys, books and musicials would the only logical choice. --Cameron Scott (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete We already have specific lists so this odd mash-up is not required and seem duplicates what exists there. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.