Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of living former members of the Ontario Legislative Assembly


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The result was delete. Consensus is that a list article for this specific intersection of attributes lacks encyclopedic value, and a more comprehensive listing would be too large. RL0919 (talk) 00:51, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

List of living former members of the Ontario Legislative Assembly

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Dynamic and unreferenced list that isn't being adequately maintained for utility or accuracy. Firstly, the creator of this list applied an arbitrary cutoff date to it, not adding anybody who was elected to the legislative assembly in or after 1990 even though there's no real reason to treat that year as the bright red line of irrelevance to a list of living former MPPs -- the only reason I can discern for leaving post-1990 MPPs out is that he just didn't want to actually put in any more work. (And if you want to try the argument that post-1990 MPPs are younger and thus simply expected to still be alive without having to be noted as such, well, David Caplan's got news for you.) Secondly, even former MPPs who are here are not actually getting removed from it when they do die; just on a partial spotcheck of random articles, I caught four people who died within the past year but were never removed from the list at all (and no, Caplan wasn't even one of them, since he was post-1990 and thus never got added here in the first place), and I'm not overly inclined to go through the entire list by myself to check for any other zombies. And thirdly, the list is violating some very important principles of accessible design -- instead of denoting party affiliation with a small coloured box in front of the row, this is colour-blocking the whole row. But we decided at least a decade ago that we shouldn't do things this way, because people with visual impairments (colour blindness, etc.) may have difficulty reading text against saturated coloured backgrounds -- and even people without visual impairments are a bit fuckered here too, if a Liberal MPP represented a district that doesn't have an article yet. Red on red...very bad idea. (Red on orange, if an NDP MPP represented a district that doesn't have an article yet, isn't exactly a million times better either.) This was a good faith creation at the time, but it's not worth keeping if we can't commit to maintaining or updating it consistently -- this is not such a critically important page for us to have that it would be worth keeping in a misleading and incomplete form just because bad is "better" than nothing. Bearcat (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 22:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete Even disregarding these major clean up issues, I don't see the notability and encyclopedicity of such a database of people. I'm not even sure what anyone is supposed get out of this information (especially since it's not exactly reported by anyone other than the organization they're members of). I don't think it's been formalized anywhere but these sort of sections on lists on positions have been somewhat deprecated. Reywas92Talk 01:06, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:50, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I agree that there's no informational value in splitting out what former members of this legislature are still alive, but I'm also having trouble finding a broader list covering all members or former members without regard to that status. So perhaps this should be expanded by dropping "living" from the criteria? postdlf (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * We don't have one single "unified" list of all former MPPs anywhere, but such a list would have several thousand members and would be too long to be useful or maintainable — what we do already have in place, however, is standalone lists of the members of each session of the assembly, categorized at . Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:06, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete since all members of the Ontario Parliament are default notable per our politican notability guidelines, we can just have a category for members that will cover everyone. The lists Bearcat points to are also helpful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:31, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the intersect isn't helpful here. SportingFlyer  T · C  03:57, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can see no encyclopedic value to this list.4meter4 (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


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