Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of locations in Atlas Shrugged


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Topic of the article does not rise to notability. joe deckertalk to me 16:17, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

List of locations in Atlas Shrugged

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Through a recent lengthy discussion about the notability of fictional places, an editor Juhachi came to me with a concern that fictional locations with no "real-world" notability probably fail the general notability guidelines. Now, forgive me about my ignorance about Atlas Shrugged―I do confess that I do not know much about it. However, I have found that whereas other articles about lists of fictional locations do have some reasonable secondary sources that establish its notability, there are no such secondary sources here―well, there is are the primary sources, but that, of course, does not establish its "real-world notability" that is independent of the source. I know that Atlas Struggled is particularly notable, but noting that notability is not inherited, I do not know of why this has notability in itself. In any case, while I myself do not know of the merits of Juhachi's reasoning, given that his opinion was backed up by two other long-established editors in the other discussion, I have reason to believe that his reasoning is probably sound. New questions? 06:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete This is ridiculously detailed original research full of entries like "Bar (unnamed) The most expensive barroom in New York, built on the top of a skyscraper, while reproducing the feel of being in a cellar. It has uncomfortable tiny tables, awful drinks and miserable service......" It's fair enough to have entries on fictional places like Narnia or the bar in Cheers, but such places should feature in multiple works or be really important to the work.  Falls in the category of excessive detail. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete As much as I think that this was probably nominated to prove a point, I have to agree with New questions on this one. This is nothing more than an indiscriminate list of locations, none of which seem to have made much of an impact to the series. Also, a lack of reliable sources, as well as about half of the list including real-world locations which had little impact on the series are the final nails in the coffin. If locations need to be mentioned, they can instead be mentioned in the Atlas Shrugged article, but only those locations that really had an impact, not an unnamed bar on top of a skyscraper. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:37, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * How is this an indiscriminate list of locations when it only lists locations of one book? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Do we really need to have a list of locations for one book? If it was a series it would have been understandable. It could instead be merged to the main article if such locations are determined to be integral to the book's plot. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:45, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: Participants may be interested in previous discussions about this page at Articles for deletion/Places in Atlas Shrugged (the result of which was thwarted) and WikiProject Objectivism/Cross talk/Archive 5. --RL0919 (talk) 11:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Articles such as this are generally linked with notable people, places, and things; as such, should be kept.  They are very useful for fans of said topic.  LogicalCreator (talk) 12:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be considered fancruft? Things that will only be of importance to a small group of people? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:20, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Utterly unsourced fancruft. Why locations and why Atlas Shrugged??? Is there a single source anywhere on the planet dealing with this topic in depth, let alone the multiple sources that we would need to see the topic clear notability requirements? Carrite (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 01:12, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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 * Comment There is an Ayn Rand wiki at objectivismonline.net where this would be better off. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:53, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Attempts have been made to relocate the page to other wikis, but no one seems to be interested. See the discussions I linked above for more on that. --RL0919 (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Half the article is made up of real-world places coupled with plot, and the other half is made up of minor sites or building-like places of which any real-world town/region has non-notable thousands. And this is just one novel instead of a franchise where places show up repeatedly and might need a little explanation. Nothing notable, nothing to salvage. – sgeureka t•c 11:33, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. This may be interesting or useful for some fans or scholars, but that doesn't mean it meets our criteria for inclusion. There is simply nothing to indicate that locations in this particular novel are a notable subject covered in secondary sources. There are other sites where this type of trivia can be documented. --RL0919 (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Atlas Shrugged is one of the greatest books ever written, but this list is pointless and does not belong in Wikipedia. It is not particularly notable and consists mostly of a list cobbled together of a combination of real places and fictional places, along with odd snippets of the plot of the novel. •••Life of Riley (T–C) 01:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. When an article becomes too long (and no one doubts that the book Atlas Shrugged is too long), parts of it can be split off.  However, this list is also much too long, even in the context of an "Atlas Shrugged" wiki, so I would vote "trim and merge", if I cared that much about it.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 02:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.