Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of longest non-repetitive piano pieces


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Stockhausenfan (talk) 15:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

List of longest non-repetitive piano pieces

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The topic of "longest non-repetitive piano pieces" is not a notable topic and seems to be an example of WP:OL. There are no references given for why the length of these pieces is notable; I know the length of the Opus Clavicembalisticum has been discussed in reliable sources but that's more appropriate for the specific page for that article. Stockhausenfan (talk) 00:00, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 00:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment:The listing of this article for deletion was 's very first edit with this account, there are a few IP edits including a declined PROD from an IP today on this subject.   Acroterion   (talk)   00:08, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep "Overlistification" is an essay, and none of the examples cited in that essay appear to apply here. The subject of the list appears to be amply supported by the citations. Not sure what the real issue is here.  Acroterion   (talk)   00:14, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm new to Wikipedia but this seems to be an example of a trivia list (like the example of songs about tequila given in that essay). The references given don't provide evidence that the length of these pieces is notable enough to warrant an article. Stockhausenfan (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * For example, WP:GNG states that there should be significant coverage independent of the subject. The references given seem mostly to be specific to the subject and have only minor coverage of the actual duration. Stockhausenfan (talk) 00:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji is listed 7 times in the main list, with only four entries not him. Of those four, three of the composers have their own articles, but no articles for their pieces.  All three of the things listed as "Works that have not been performed nor recorded yet"  are by Sorabji, and I have no idea why anyone would list anything not performed or recorded.  Anyone can write something to be super long, but can someone actually perform it in one sitting?  Various sources mention something being the or one of the longest non-repetitive piano pieces, but only as individual things that could be in their own articles.  Not sure what value this one has.  Are there competitions to see who can write the longest piece?  When someone makes something longer, does it make news somewhere?   D r e a m Focus  02:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge (into a new article): I'm the main editor of this article (thought not its creator) and will try to respond to the various points raised here. There is some (perhaps inevitable) tendency for the list to be Sorabji-centric, and many of the discussions of long piano pieces that I know discuss those in the context of Sorabji (e.g. Mashak's piece, which, to the best of my knowledge, has not received much discussion in other sources). There are various articles on long musical compositions scattered across the internet (e.g. ) and some coverage of individual works (e.g. ). Wikipedia also has an article on Cage's As Slow as Possible, which routinely features in such articles/lists. As for Sorabji and unrecorded pieces of his, he is well known for having written a large number of vast compositions and those appear in various sources (e.g., or ). Perhaps it might be better to create a list of "longest compositions" or "musical pieces", which could include minimalist piano pieces that have received coverage in notable sources (e.g. La Monte Young's The Well-Tuned Piano), Cage's piece (which was originally written for the piano, though those performances tend to be of moderate length), Satie's Vexations (enough coverage by any means), the operatic cycles of Wagner and Stockhausen, etc. And, while WP:OSE does not help things, List of longest novels may provide some ideas on how to handle this. Toccata quarta (talk) 13:17, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage presented shows this is something covered.  D r e a m Focus  14:55, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdraw: Good points - I will withdraw this deletion request. Stockhausenfan (talk) 15:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)