Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mainstream musicians that have dealt with Christian themes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per WP:SNOW.  Will gladly provide a copy in user space to any user who wishes to reformulate this list, providing references and explanations for the entries. S HEFFIELD S TEEL TALK 18:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

List of mainstream musicians that have dealt with Christian themes

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Vague list having no encyclopedic purpose that I can see. The criteria for inclusion on the list smacks of POV. What is a "Christian theme?" What, for that matter, is a "mainstream musician?" pablo hablo. 22:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete - I agree with the nom. This list is inherently vague or/and biased and serves to encyclopedic purpose as currently formulated. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment A good rule of thumb is to never post an article if you are still working on it. That's what userspace is for.  This list is remarkably uninformative, being a listing of names of bands with no explanation of how they "dealt with Christian themes" (according to this list, 3 Doors Down dealt with a Christian theme at some point in their discography).  I agree with the nominator-- what is a "Christian theme"?  It reminds me of the commercial where the lady says that she "had a health issue" (with the unspoken idea of "and it's none of your business").  Even if this is still a work in progress, I don't think it can get past the original research problem.  You'd have to find a reliable source, like an interview with Brad Arnold saying, "Most people think 'Kryptonite' refers to Superman, but I was writing about the singer seeking redemption in the love of Jesus."  I don't think this can be salvaged.  Mandsford (talk) 00:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment There is an article that should be written. It just is not this one. A better article would be Christian References in Songs Recorded by Secular Artists, referring to obvious ones like Spirit in the Sky, by Norman Greenbaum and less obvious ones like Sunday Bloody Sunday by U2. Definitely needs to include explanations, not just a straight list. Eauhomme (talk) 02:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unsourced and lacking in content/information. Having an artist appear on this list doesn't tell the reader anything about how the artist dealt with Christian themes, how often, or in what songs, nor is any indication given as to who has identified the themes specifically as being Christian. (Some songs can be interpreted either with a Christian or a secular meaning -- or, perhaps in some cases, a Jewish, Muslim, or Rastafarian meaning.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Far too vague, no sources, no criteria for inclusion. And they left out "Cain's Blood" by 4 Runner. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 04:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete Vague, subject to OR problems. Way too broad a list.  If this article exists, why not have lists of artists who have dealt with love themes? or list of artists who have dealt with political themes? Bonewah (talk) 13:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: "What is a Christian theme? What is a mainstream musician?", are you serious Pablomismo or whatever your name is? Are those really serious questions, or are you just being sarcastic? Anywho, I created this article becuase a section of the Contemporary Christian music article didn't allow to add anymore mainstream artists to the part where they gave examples on mainstream artists that have used Christian thems in their music but are not considered Contemporary Christian artists. So, I thought it would be a good idea to create a seperate article as a list of mainstream artists who have used Christian themes in their music. But now that i've realized how controversal it is (for some reason, most of the articles i have created are controversal. i'm just a controveral kid), if you really feel it is neccesary to delete, go ahead. --Mr. Comedian (talk) 14:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course they are serious questions, Mr. so-called "comedian". The criteria for inclusion in a list have to be clear, and these are not. pablo hablo. 14:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Not because the topic is controversial, but because there is no indication that there will ever be a citation to a verifiable and a reliable source. Speaking as a Christian, I can say that we've been providing citations to back up our statements for nearly 400 years.  Mandsford (talk) 16:25, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and none of them have been from primary sources, which is commendable.  pablo hablo. 20:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: oh, and a reply to Bonewah. I actually think it's a good idea to have a list of artists who have used political themes in their music. In fact, why don't you check out these articles smarty pants. Punk ideologies, and List of political punk songs, Exactly.. --Mr. Comedian (talk) 14:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a reason to keep. WP:OR is a reason to delete. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete who belongs on this list. should it include Slayer ("Jesus Saves" for one), Machine Head (quotes the bible), Queens of the Stone Age ("Burn the Witch"), The F.U.'s (Kill For Christ). too vague. Duffbeerforme (talk) 16:17, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - criteria for inclusion are too vague to make a reasonable, useful list, but will make a huge, basically pointless one. John Carter (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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