Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of male mixed martial artists


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The result was keep.-- Kubigula (talk) 01:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

List of male mixed martial artists

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Since source for every single entry (Sherdog.com), not sure if that source meets wp:rs, making wp:v a problem since they cant be found elsewhere. Seems a bit indescriminate and even having to add the word "notable" in the first sentence. Pharmboy (talk) 19:25, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. The vast majority of entries on the list link to other articles that establish notability for the names on the list, only the red links are sourced. Secondly, the single source is Sherdog, which is the most reliable database of MMA fighters online and offline. But whether notability is established for the majority of them is not the issue, if there are any unnotable names on the list, it can be edited out and cleaned up--no case of deletion has been made, just a case for cleanup. Also, nearly every list of people on WP has the word "notable" in the intro, that's not much of an incriminating remark. hateless 20:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I just checked a few that have articles here, per your suggestion. What I found in a quick check was that for most of them, the only sources given were links to their own webpages, and sherdog.com.  My main concern is that sherdog.com seems to be the ONLY source, which seems counter to wp:n, which states "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."  I am not doubting that the persons in the list are who they are, and that they are good at what they do, etc.  The problem is there is only ONE source for so many articles. (note the policies says 'sources', plural)  In a perfect world, someone could go an find some additional sources for all the pages that have just sherdog.com listed and the point would be moot, as would the AFD.    Pharmboy (talk) 20:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, you're making an argument for cleanup and for the introduction of more sources, not for the wholesale deletion of the entire list. hateless 07:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep - do your homework first, this information can be verified in multiple other places, it's just that Sherdog has the most authoritative database of professional matches, much like BoxRec is the one-stop shop for boxing. The criteria for inclusion are also not arbitrary - WP:BIO defines notability for sportspersons as having competed in a professional circuit or the highest amateur levels of the sport. east. 718 at 21:27, January 15, 2008
 * Strong keep - per East718 & Hateless. Gromlakh (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.