Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of marathon fatalities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Plenty of discussion, consensus unlikely to be reached. (non-admin closure) f  e  minist  02:47, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

List of marathon fatalities

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We got the first marathon runner who died running, the other two have valid reason for this list but the rest are amateurs who will never pass GNG here - other than this, we will end up with an unencyclopedic and indiscriminate list of amateur runners dying that serves no purpose here Donnie Park (talk) 21:09, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.   CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   21:27, 7 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Per nominator. This page will soon become an unencylopedic list of non-notable runners who died while running. Meatsgains (talk) 21:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename List of fatalities due to running or List of running fatalities (Pheidippides didn't participate in a formal marathon). No valid reason has been given for deletion. Unnotable entries simply call for cleanup. Category:Lists of people by cause of death has lots of other lists of sports-related deaths (e.g. List of skiing deaths, List of deaths by motorcycle crash). I don't see why running should be singled out for exclusion. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete. No reason to compile lists of non-notable people who died in particular circumstances. Incidentally, the criteria is somewhat nebulous in that the lede refers to runners who died during a marathon, however, two of the NYCM runners - similar to the story of Pheidippides - died after the race. One can scour news sources and find deaths after other race distances, too. I would hate to see lists of kids who died during football workouts or basketball games, etc. -Location (talk) 04:56, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and tighten criteria if necessary to avoid excess length. – The article is consistent with the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline and with dozens of parallel sports in Category:Lists of people by cause of death and Lists of sportspeople who died during their careers. It's OK if people want to tighten the first sentence to a list of notable (blue-linked) individuals who died as a result of running a marathon. But you'll see that not a single non-notable has been added since the day the article was created 14 months ago, so the fears expressed in some of the comments above are wildly overblown. —Patrug (talk) 05:12, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep but cleanup. It's a notable topic band consistent with various similar articles, but could use some work. Still, AFD is not cleanup. So that's not a reason for deletion. And I should point out that many similar articles include non-notable individuals if their deaths received substantial coverage, but they weren't notable before then. So this article may be fine as is. In any event, that's a content dispute, not a deletion issue. Smartyllama (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Notable subject if only it consists of notable pro runners who died running not some non-notable amateurs. Donnie Park (talk) 19:36, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep as notable phenomenon. Listed people need not be individually notable. Hyperbolick (talk) 13:55, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete, otherwise we'll end up with an indiscriminate list of news reports about every non-notable people who died during non notable marathons, notability of persons or events are not inhereted. Ajf773 (talk) 19:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * We could simply rename the article List of runners with a running related death (as a side project to List of cyclists with a cycling related death) and cleanup to suit. Ajf773 (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
 * As I noted above, hypothetical fears that "we'll end up with an indiscriminate list" are wildly overblown. Not a single non-notable has been added since the day the article was created 14 months ago, and ordinary editing is quite sufficient to keep such articles consistent with the WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. We don't delete an article because someday it might be inconsistent with a Wikipedia guideline and someday an editor might not fix it.
 * "Running-related death" is not the same topic. The current list is specifically about people who succumbed from an extremely strenuous task, not people hit by cars while jogging. That's why we have articles like List of people who died climbing Mount Everest, not List of people who died while walking uphill. —Patrug (talk) 06:09, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
 * On the day that the article was created, there was ONE notable individual put into the list (i.e. Francisco Lázaro) and six other non-notable "hobby joggers". Last week, someone you added Ryan Shay and Pheidippides; however, the story of Pheidippides is just that... a story. Pheidippides never ran a marathon. So, there are TWO notable individuals who collapsed and died while running a marathon: Lázaro and Shay. Unless we are out to list non-notable people, that's about all you're going to have in this "list". It should be sufficient to mention their deaths in Marathon. -Location (talk) 06:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


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