Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of massacres in Israel


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Baseball   Watcher  22:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

List of massacres in Israel

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Two of the three massacres took place before the 1948 establishment of the State of Israel. Also, there are already List of killings and massacres before the 1948 Palestine war and List of Israeli civilian casualties in the Second Intifada (most of which are labelled "massacres"). — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:56, 13 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep This is not a finished list, as the template on top indicates. This, along with all of the other "List of massacres in [country]" articles, are works in progress. I have been busy over the past several days creating them and adding more massacres to these lists. There is no rhyme or reason to the order the massacres appear in a search, so it is completely random when they will appear in that order. But I have looked over hundreds of articles in massacres, and vaguely recall many of them took place in Israel. It can be noted within the list or possibly made into multiple charts whether a massacre took place before or after the formation of the actual country Israel as is known today. As for the other lists mentioned here, they only mentioned small time periods in Israel's history, not its complete history. Shaliya waya (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - what a weird Point of view fork article. Bearian (talk) 04:08, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep but possibly rename and/or merge and pay attention to possible POV issues. Andrevan@ 06:50, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep and expand. Per Andrevan. This is a notable topic. Marokwitz (talk) 06:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete @Shaliya Waya - I just stumbled into this AfD because I saw that you created the List of massacres in Croatia article and the corresponding template. Have you got any idea how much nationalist warring the "list of massacres in (insert ex-Yugoslav country here)" will provoke, especially because there are no clear criteria on what constitutes a massacre and the sensationalist media in this part of the world call everything a "massacre". The Talk:List of events named massacres skirts around the issue by insisting on listing only events which have been labeled as massacres by reliable sources. In addition, you also created stub articles without giving a single reference for the event being labelled as a "massacre". You're opening a can of worms which will give dozens of editors headaches for months to come. This is a clear example of WP:FORK and all these articles are hardly to evolve into anything other than WP:SYNTH. For interested editors I suggest clicking through Template:Massacres to fully grasp the potential of articles such as List of massacres in East Timor, List of massacres in New Zealand and others. I fail to see the purpose.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 09:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Regardless of concerns over POV, with some countries having controversy, the fact is, Israel is an existing country in the world today, just like USA, Canada, Australia, etc. There may be different opinions on how people feel about that. But by Wikipedia guidelines and neutrality in general, Israel deserves to be treated like any other country.


 * As for the other lists with just one massacre at the moment, they are growing. I am working hard on adding one massacre at a time from a list that has no rhyme or reason to its order. Some of the lists that started off with one now have several.


 * Keep The category Massacres in Israel contains 10 articles (not including this one). That should be sufficient for a list. Not all categories are complete, so there are likely many more. There are similar lists that exist for many other countries, so there is no reason why there should not be any for Israel. Linda Olive (talk) 03:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a legitimate list. Hodja Nasreddin (talk) 19:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.