Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Pekin, Illinois


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎ __EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. The deletes were based on NLIST and NOT while the keeps were mostly based on some form of ITSUSEFUL. Based on that, I have to give more weight to the delete side. Guerillero Parlez Moi 14:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

List of mayors of Pekin, Illinois

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Fails LISTN. Long list of nn names. Souces in article are primary, no other sources show this meets LISTN discussing this as a group. LISTCRUFT  // Timothy :: talk  10:37, 20 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio giuliano 11:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and Illinois. Shellwood (talk) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: Though a small handful may be notable via service in the legislature, most are not. Fails WP:NLIST. Curbon7 (talk) 18:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I will note that, as per the list presented below, there are two additional mayors who are notable via service in the legislature but do not yet have articles. As such, I think there is merit to at least a partial merge argument, but the logic for keeping is still shaky at best. Curbon7 (talk) 04:18, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Two have articles, and it is otherwise a useful list that is too long to keep in the main article. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You are correct in that this does not belong in the body of the article either; it is not Wikipedia's duty to keep record of every single small-town mayor. The two that are notable (out of a list of 53) is due to their service in a legislative body. Curbon7 (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would suggest that the question is whether a list of elected officials fits within what WP:INDISCRIMINATE (or WP:NOTDIRECTORY) contemplates. While being true does not make an entry encyclopedic, the question about any list of mayors (or other set of elected officials) is whether they are a) notable as a topic or b) a valid spinoff from a notable subject. I am generally of the opinion that these lists of mayors are acceptable spinoffs from the parent city article. - Enos733 (talk) 20:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Lists in Wikipedia need to be either encyclopedic content meeting NLIST or serve a purpose around CLN/AOAL. This list does not meet either criteria. Wikipedia is not a repository for everything. The source for the list can be easily added (believe its already there) to the main article. Listcruft like this could be created for public officials of various offices in almost all towns in much of the world. There is no need or useful purpose to list all nn mayors of all towns in separate lists, no need for separate lists of nn city councils, nn country sherrifs and coroners, or any other lists of nn public officials not passing NLIST. This is not a list of notable mayors.  // Timothy :: talk  21:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Lists can also be considers a valid spinoff from a parent article (in this case the city of Pekin). It is not up to us to judge whether there is a need or a useful purpose, but whether the article complies with our community policies and guidelines. As I mentioned above, I don't think a list of elected officials (especially a list of mayors) clearly is described in WP:NOT and often, the community has evaluated a list of mayors at AfD through the lens of the size of the city, which is not necessarily the best metric. - Enos733 (talk) 23:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. There is no real notability in having been a mayor of Pekin. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:59, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I put a neutrally-worded notice at Talk:Pekin, Illinois. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep There are two entries so it is a spin-off from the page. As an alternative. Include on the page for Pekin under Government. It could be in a collapsed list as such.Patapsco913 (talk) 04:12, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Unneeded CFORK, only purpose is to make readers chase links.  // Timothy :: talk  04:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The list is useful. Not sure how it gets people to chase links? Why would someone chase a link if they were not interested? Is not one of the purposes of wikipedia is to link related articles?13:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete unclear how this meets WP:LISTN. ResonantDistortion 16:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist. Any further comments on the WP:SPINOFF argument? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:28, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Weak Keep. I don't think it is important that the people on the list are not individually notable. I am assuming good faith for online sources. I am not certain of this part (hence the "weak") but I don't think the sources are primary. Most importantly, this seems like useful encyclopedic information. This is exactly the sort of thing I can imagine historians wanting to read about. I know there is a culture of requiring three sources, but I don't think that is a rule. CT55555 (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources showing this meets LISTN?  // Timothy :: talk  01:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * When I said "I am assuming good faith for online sources" I meant offline sources. It seems like they contain lists, the way it is presented. Do you agree that is fair? Or am I missing something? CT55555 (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: To reiterate, the only reason why four (out of the ~50 listed) are notable is not because of their tenures as mayors of this exceptionally small town, but because they instead held a separate WP:NPOL-conferring office. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate database of every single small-town mayor that's ever lived. Curbon7 (talk) 02:13, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.