Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of media markets and college football


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The result was   delete. per WP:CSD and per WP:SNOW. JohnCD (talk) 15:28, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

List of media markets and college football

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This is cruft in its purest form: a list of Nielsen Media Research designated market areas coupled with the largest college football programs in each DMA, or the largest schools in each DMA if none sponsors football. Why should we care? The page history and link at the end suggests it has something to do with college football on television, but the page does nothing to illuminate us on the subject (not that it could, given how important cable television is to televised college football these days and how little media market actually has to do with college football); it is just an indiscriminate list, and not remotely encyclopedic.

Oh, and as if that wasn't enough, Wikipedia received a DMCA takedown notice four years ago forcing us to stop using Nielsen's DMAs, and while the numerous templates the article links to are still based on DMAs without actually acknowledging as such, which I'm guessing is okay, and I can see why this article has flown under the radar for so long, I see no reason why this article's explicit use of Nielsen's rankings and numerous direct references to Nielsen DMAs would in any way be kosher. But if this article were forced to stop using Nielsen's DMAs, it would become even more pointless and unencyclopedic, as though it wasn't enough already. (Note: Both WP:CFB and WP:TVS have been informed of this AfD.) Morgan Wick (talk) 05:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Per the OTRS case cited disallowing us from utilizing Nielsen's proprietary DMA's, and also, the simple fact that college football teams don't even care about "media markets", "DMA's" or per-market deals in the first place, because their first focus is getting on an ESPN, CBS Sports Network or Fox Sports Net nationally, and they never want to confine themselves to an arbitrary market area. Also indiscriminate (for instance in Milwaukee there is zero demand to watch Carroll College or Lakeland College's football teams except on public access, and the Rochester Institute of Technology doesn't even field a football team in the first place. Also, Chicago is definitely Notre Dame territory by far, Cleveland rarely enjoys Akron games when Ohio State is much bigger, and Detroit certainly has a Michigan State fanbase, something completely ignored by this criteria). Third, conferences and networks are the ones who determine what team airs when and where (like the Big Ten Conference and their network), and the only limit they ever use is by team popularity at the most, and at the least, ESPN determines airings by cable provider and zip code, not DMA criteria.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 06:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete per both rationales presented above. -AllisonFoley (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: DMA listings are not allowed per a DMCA Takedown Notice from Nielsen Media Research and OTRS ticket #2008091610055854. The page should deleted posthaste. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 08:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete for every reason stated above. Mdak06 (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment How do you put a G12 notice on here to speedy delete, if you don't have a URL to OTRS ticket #2008091610055854? Roodog2k (talk) 19:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: I G12'd it for you with the OTRS ticket URL link. For future reference, it would be this link but you just change the ticket number at the end to whatever the actual ticket number is (the one I linked to is the one in question).  It doesn't give you anything but a sign-in screen, but that would be the working link if you were an OTRS member. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 20:26, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


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 * Delete Unsourced cross-referencing of college teams to market area. The grouping appears to be WP:OR.—Bagumba (talk) 20:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete; we can't even use DMAs to begin with, and college team fanbases don't exactly correlate with market definitions anyhow. To say nothing of those schools with no football teams… and the lone reference is a DMA list that obviously has nothing to do with college football, which may as well put this list dangerously close to (if not outright in) original research territory anyhow. Outside of the DMAs, little effort is made to connect this to college football on television… and even if you took all of those issues away, we're not an indiscriminate collection of information. There seems to be more wrong with this list than not… -- WC  Quidditch  &#9742;   &#9998;  03:22, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
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