Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of members of Cardiff Council by seniority


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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 19:29, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

List of members of Cardiff Council by seniority

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This is a list of local politicians ranked by seniority (tellingly, at the time of writing, it has not been updated since the most recent elections in May 2022). The politicians in the list largely fail WP:NPOL, and while established sources (i.e., the council website) do attest to their membership of Cardiff Council, thus meeting WP:LISTPEOPLE, this list of names is also provided by 2022 Cardiff Council election, and I fail to see any reason why local politicians should have a separate listing by 'seniority' as well as by alphabetical order of the wards in which they were elected. In summary, I propose that this list is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. (Even if it is, the burden of updating it after changes in council membership is not justified for any usefulness, as evidenced also by there having been no update since the last election eight months ago.) _ MB190417  _ (talk) 17:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Delete, largely for the reasons given by the nominator ...though I'm not aware of any changes in seniority since the May 2022 election. The original author has been blocked, I believe, so the chances of this being kept up to date are slim. I did consider this list to be a bit 'niche' when I cam across it, I'm not aware of any other independent source that takes an interest in the seniority of Cardiff county councillors. I'm not aware of any similar articles listing elected representatives at this level of local government. Time for it to go I'm afraid. Sionk (talk) 17:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, otherwise a puerile & poorly-sourced ranking list in the same vein could be made and published on Wikipedia with impunity. JRed176 (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Given that this list is neither puerile or poorly-sourced, Wikipedia doesn't work on precedent, and the deletion of one page does not prevent the creation of a different one (even with the same title, absent active action) whether this list is kept or deleted will have no impact on whether something that is both of those things would be created and would have no impact on whether it would be deleted if it was created. Thryduulf (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete who seriously cares enough about local politicians by seniority enough to read this, leg alone maintain this? Dronebogus (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete clearly fails WP:NLIST. Of very limited value for an encyclopedia. LibStar (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete I see zero reason for something like this to exist, the two comments preceding mine make the point fairly well. WesSirius (talk) 00:07, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per LibSTar and Sionk. Thryduulf (talk) 09:57, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete Ranking by seniority is not needed for an encyclopedia, especially for local politicians. Belichickoverbrady (talk) 19:01, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. Fails WP:NLIST, as I can't find significant coverage of the seniority of the Cardiff Council members. I'm also not able to find any sort of formal seniority system that exists within the Cardiff Council. While the article is verifiable, its topic appears to be WP:OR. For these reasons, the list should be deleted [er WP:DEL-REASON#6 as being solely original research and WP:DEL-REASON#8 for failing to meet the relevant notability criteria. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:46, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SNOW. Compare: Seniority in the United States Senate. Bearian (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
 * P.S. Of course Wikipedia works by precedent: see WP:OUTCOMES and WP:CCC. An argument otherwise can't be taken seriously. Bearian (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2023 (UTC)


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