Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of members of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. WP:SNOW The Bushranger One ping only 04:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

List of members of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition

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The bulk of the list is populated from 2009 from the MAIG website itself. The list is continually be out of date, and is theoretically a very long list (They are claiming 1000+ members)

But more importantly in light of recent stories saying that MAIG is adding people to their list without actual permission, and refusing to remove people from the list, the inherent accuracy of the list is highly subject. Since the site is self published, and membership can be controvercial, this is a violation of WP:BLP "Never use self-published sources [...] as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject"

Finally Wikipedia is WP:NOT a membership directory. The noteworthy stories (mass resignations or joinings, or notable controversy) can be discussed in the MAIG main article. Gaijin42 (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * KEEP/MODIFY/RENAME/MERGE: There is some material in the latter sections of this WP page that should be kept, one way or the other. Those sections were obviously very time consuming to have assembled and referenced with MANY reliable newspaper article (third party) sources. I suggest that the article either be truncated (removing the out of date list) and renamed as "Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition Controversies" (or something similar), OR that those sections be merged into the main Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition article. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater would be a mistake and waste of many volunteer editorial hours. SoTotallyAwesome (talk) 00:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that some of the later sections have more usable content, but think that they should be kept in narrative form, and not list. (And merged into the main article as "controversy" or "in the news" or something. IE, in the resignations, keep the paragraphs and drop the individual names - it will be too hard to keep track of who has joined, who has resigned, who has rejoined etc. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete Anything connected with gun control gets occasional excited media coverage, but there is no indication that WP:LISTN is satisfied. Currently, the article appears to be a name-and-shame page (see List of members of the Mayors Against Illegal Guns Coalition). If the list of mayors is on a website that is sufficiently reliable to serve as a reference for an article, there is no need for Wikipedia to mirror that list—who is on the list is simply not notable. Since, as explained in the nom, there is no reliable source for significant portions of the list, the article is inherently unverifiable. It might be argued that the article could list, say, 100 mayors who are verifiably current members of the group—however, there is no reason to think that a list of those 100 people satisfies WP:N. Johnuniq (talk) 00:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * At least purge all entries not supported by independent references if not delete Delete. Stuartyeates (talk) 02:05, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a membership directory; also, membership in this organization is neither permanent nor one of the most salient facts about the people who have joined the group. Most significantly, this meticulously developed list has the earmarks of a "hit list" or "enemies list" (why else would the former mayors be highlighted in bold?) against an organization that has been vilified by gun rights advocates. Wikipedia is not a venue for maintaining and publicizing political enemies lists. --Orlady (talk) 02:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. I fail to see the value of this list.  Link to a list on the MAIGC website from the main article, and in the article cite and list the most prominent members only.   Gamaliel  ( talk ) 14:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the reasoning explained in the nomination, and agree with Johnuniq additional comments; my opinion is that this article qualifies for deletion per WP policies.  SaltyBoatr get wet 15:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. And as for the section entitled 'Members convicted of illegal activity', contributors should familiarise themselves with WP:SYNTHESIS. Or find another platform for propaganda. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see a need fora complete list - and a selection of officers in the organization/especially prominent members can be listed in the organization's article. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 02:10, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - many of these are mayor of small boroughs and towns, thus not notable. Bearian (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.