Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of military disasters (2nd nomination)


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 03:45, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

List of military disasters
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Unencyclopedic. Filled with original research which as no place on Wikipedia. Who are we to decide what is or isn't a military disaster? The term is extremely subjective and almost always open to debate. Wikipedia is not the correct place for such a debate. ceradon ( talk  •  contribs ) 05:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete Lists typically have clear inclusion criteria, and without exceptional sources I don't see how this article could be anything except OR. Pishcal  — ♣ 05:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 07:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. N ORTH A MERICA 1000 07:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep There are plenty of sources available for this and so the topic passes WP:LISTN. Here's a selection:
 * Great Military Disasters: From Cannae to Stalingrad
 * Scottish Military Disasters
 * SNAFU: great American military disasters
 * World's Worst Military Disasters
 * Arrogant Armies: Great Military Disasters and the Generals Behind Them
 * Great Military Disasters
 * Britain's 20 Worst Military Disasters: From the Roman Conquest to the Fall of Singapore
 * Great Military Disasters: A Historical Survey of Military Incompetence
 * Military Misfortunes: The Anatomy of Failure in War
 * Military Blunders
 * The current list contains the usual notorious cases such as the Charge of the Light Brigade, Battle of the Little Bighorn and Napoleon's Invasion of Russia. Any borderline cases can be discussed and resolved by ordinary editing and the nomination doesn't actually list any. Andrew D. (talk) 08:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per Andrew Davidson. "Military disaster" (redirecting to this article) is a two-word phrase likely to be entered often as a search term, and a list like this represents an excellent staging point. Pax 13:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The term "military disaster" is of course purely subjective but we have many subjective terms on Wikipedia. The question is if there are reliable sources that describe events as a "military disaster" and that is no doubt. So we do have reliable sources that confirm. Also it's perfectly reasonable for editors to decide what to include or not, based on reliable sources. We are not robots, we do make editorial decisions with every edit. And debates can be had on talk pages. All normal Wikipedia activity. -- Green  C  14:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a perfectly legitimate subject for an article; any problems with the article should be solved through editing, and are not a reason for deletion. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - on the proviso that some actually referencing takes place to back up inclusion and attribution if it's to one book/historian. And that items on the list are plausible. eg Not sure how battle of Inchon, or operation Compass are "military disaster" as such. I assumed that a military disaster was a plan that went wrong due to unanticipated but foreseeable circumstances, not necessarily when one side is out-manuoeuvred or out-performed by a better equipped or disposed enemy. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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