Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. Content can be (selectively) merged from the history if there is editorial consensus for it.  Sandstein  06:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters

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Mostly unreferenced list. We have List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. Fine. But we also have this more fancrufty companion. First, what is the criteria for determining if a character is minor or 'main'? Second, while a list of Buffy characters may meet WP:LISTN, a list of minor Buffy characters probably does not. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy,  and Television. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  14:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: The fact that they're called "minor" in the name of the list suggests all by itself that these aren't especially significant characters. Those who have some level of third-party sourcing to establish their significance can be merged to the main list easily enough. DonIago (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - Many of the characters here are ones that only appeared in an episode or two, and the ones that had slightly more significant roles are already also listed under the "Supporting Characters" section of the main List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. As stated by the nom, while the actual overall concept of the characters of the series very obviously passes WP:LISTN, that does not automatically extend to include every single minor character that ever showed up in the series. Rorshacma (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Rorshacma. I see a few characters which should be listed, but they are already mentioned in the List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. However, I wouldn't rely on the number of episodes of a character to decide whether a character is worth mentioning, but it's remaining effect on the audience and whether it is discussed in magazines, books etc. or not. If the page will be deleted, it will mean a lot of work to remove all the links to that page... I am okay with removing some links, but not all. So there need to be some people who will do this afterwards. Maybe some of the sources for the characters, mentioned on this page can also be included in the List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, as that page doesn't cite any sources. --Dynara23 (talk) 10:06, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Please rescue all the sourced content, before deleting it: the first passage of Dracula, the first passage of Ethan Rayne, the 5th and 6th passage of Kendra Young, the first passage of Severin and maybe the part on Merrick. I think it would be too sad to lose all the sources, if needed on another page. As Daranios says below, it could be moved to the supporting characters section. I would add the passages myself, but I don't wan't to commit copy right violation. I don't know if it is somehow possible to move the page history for only these small parts to the other page? Maybe the old page histories for Kendra Young (1) and Ethan Rayne (2) can also help, as at least the parts on Kendra and Ethan are also added there? --Dynara23 (talk) 16:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Your request reads just like my suggestion: rescue of sourced content could be achieved merging that to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, and turning our page here into a redirect afterwards would preserve the history, thus avoiding any copyright issues. Maybe you'd like to amend your !vote into that direction? Daranios (talk) 11:00, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you clarify if you're interested in the sources only? Per WP:Copying within Wikipedia, "Bare references" not associated with content do not require attribution. It is possible to merge directly from the character redirects' histories, but it would be best to build support first. Do you know the on-wiki sources of the other content you mentioned? Flatscan (talk) 04:28, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * If I may jump in: the comment already says this is about the sources passages, not only the sources. The mentioned passages about those four characters are not present at List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. Daranios (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I am insterested in the sources and the content that is referenced. Well the Merrick part can also be found here. I just don't find the part on Severin and Quentin Travers anywhere else. I think it is bad if sourced content already exists and needed on another unsourced page is just lost. The people made an effort to research the topic. The fifth and sixth passage on Kendra forexample can just be added behind the stuff that is already mentioned on Kendra Young. If there would be no other way to keep it, I would propably change my vote to redirect. Dynara23 (talk) 11:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I went through the characters mentioned, and I think they're all covered. It will be a little more work than merging from this list. Flatscan (talk) 04:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed"

! Name !! Mentioned in List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters !! Redirect with history !! Content
 * + Character data
 * Dracula || ||  || quote, can be rewritten from source
 * Ethan Rayne || || Special:PermanentLink/716753682 || merge from redirect directly
 * Kendra Young || || Special:PermanentLink/346631673 || merge from redirect directly
 * Severin || ||  || quote and sentence that can be rewritten from source
 * Merrick || || Special:PermanentLink/81651890 || merge from redirect directly
 * Quentin Travers || || Special:PermanentLink/168836438 (no sources) || plot summary cited to episode, redirect's content seems similar
 * }
 * Okay I already rewrote the parts of Dracula and Severin and put it to the other page. (I don't know if I made any mistakes though, I am not a natural English speaker) Maybe someone else can do the rest. Dynara23 (talk) 06:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Both Severin (original diff) and Dracula (original diff) look good! Merrick needs to be added somewhere for his redirect target, but I am unsure because he has only one appearance in the series. I retargeted the other redirects – Ethan Rayne, Kendra Young, and Quentin Travers – ahead of the close because there is no support for keeping this list. Flatscan (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay I have added Merrick, however not the text and the source of the List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters article. I think he should be added to the list. Maybe he only appears in one Buffy episode, but next to this he is in the Buffy movie as well as in the comics and is talked about a lot. Furthermore he is the father of the main characters in two Buffy novels. He also is a character which influences the title character's actions a lot and you will find a lot of sources about him. I have only added the sources to three books and one web article, but when you search on Google books for Buffy Merrick, you will find a lot more. I think he is a very notable character. --Dynara23 (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I retargeted Merrick also. Flatscan (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect sourced/relevant content to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, where I think this fits well. While we may not need a spin-out list for minor characters, and don't need to list every character there is, throwing out relevant content (and the existing sources themselves) would be against WP:AtD. Daranios (talk) 11:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as mostly unreferenced. This is a WP:CONTENTFORK of the better sourced list of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. If content cannot be referenced it should be removed, not spun off into articles that bypass WP:LISTN. Jontesta (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:LISTN. However, I have no objection to properly-sourced content in the article being merged to List_of_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_characters or another suitable target. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively (not everything!) to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. This doesn't warrant a standalone article. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have specific characters in mind? Dynara23 has already rewritten a few from their sources. This is covered by WP:Copying within Wikipedia, and no direct copying from this list has been identified, so deletion is allowed. Flatscan (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay I have added Merrick, however not the text and the source of the List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters article. I think he should be added to the list. Maybe he only appears in one Buffy episode, but next to this he is in the Buffy movie as well as in the comics and is talked about a lot. Furthermore he is the father of the main characters in two Buffy novels. He also is a character which influences the title character's actions a lot and you will find a lot of sources about him. I have only added the sources to three books and one web article, but when you search on Google books for Buffy Merrick, you will find a lot more. I think he is a very notable character. --Dynara23 (talk) 20:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I retargeted Merrick also. Flatscan (talk) 04:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect sourced/relevant content to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters, where I think this fits well. While we may not need a spin-out list for minor characters, and don't need to list every character there is, throwing out relevant content (and the existing sources themselves) would be against WP:AtD. Daranios (talk) 11:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as mostly unreferenced. This is a WP:CONTENTFORK of the better sourced list of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. If content cannot be referenced it should be removed, not spun off into articles that bypass WP:LISTN. Jontesta (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:LISTN. However, I have no objection to properly-sourced content in the article being merged to List_of_Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_characters or another suitable target. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge selectively (not everything!) to List of Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. This doesn't warrant a standalone article. -Kj cheetham (talk) 14:23, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have specific characters in mind? Dynara23 has already rewritten a few from their sources. This is covered by WP:Copying within Wikipedia, and no direct copying from this list has been identified, so deletion is allowed. Flatscan (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


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