Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor Star Wars villains


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was No consensus. I was tempted to delete this, but it may be useful as a repository for many minor characters that currently have their own unnecessary articles (see the merge tags). However, it needs to be heavily cleaned up, all WP:OR excised, and trivial characters removed. A future AfD may take note of this close.  BLACK KITE  17:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

List of minor Star Wars villains

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The title of this list is the first thing that's problematic: in addition to "minor" suggesting a lack of notability for these characters, "villain" is non-WP:NPOV; for the same reason various "Villain/hero in X franchise/text" have been deleted for lack of clear inclusion criteria, the boundaries of this list are vague -- for example, Yun in one plot path in the game he appears in heroically defends the player's character. Well, I'd call it heroic -- it's my own belief, not cited anywhere. The article has been tagged for additional references since January 2006, and most of the seven are two primary sources conveying just plot summary. Additionally, only one source has been added since May; the content is overwhelmingly plot summary and unverified original research. I realize some editors are touchy about deleting these lists of...; I point toward this AfD as precedent for similar removal (which didn't have the non-NPOV title issues). --EEMIV (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The use of lists to collect information on groups of individually non-notable plot elements is a well-used and well-justfied method of dealing with this sort of thing. If every Star Wars character were included in the same list, it would be unweildy; this list seems a valid size-fork from the main List of Star Wars characters.  --Jayron32| talk | contribs  18:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep perl Jayron32. There may exist better solutions than a size-fork, but deleting isn't one of them. Mdmkolbe (talk) 18:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete - These characters do not assert notability for inclusion.  Lara  ❤  Love  18:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. Looking at the 3 merge requests on the article page it's clear this list acts as a useful repository for articles that really don't warrant their own page. If this list were to be deleted I fear a large number of these minor villians would be recreated as individual articles. Keeping this list is not an ideal solution by any means, but a reasonable compromise. RMHED (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Trim&Merge into a bigger list with a better chance to establish notability in some way, or reluctant delete. It seems that many of these characters are just included for the sake of completeness, not for weak notability. Like the nom, I understand if people want to keep the list like it is, but I find fan wikis (especially for Star Wars) are a much more suitable outlet for this kind of WP:PLOTty WP:ORish information. – sgeureka t•c 19:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per RMHED Hobit (talk) 07:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep The individual villains might be minor, but the concept of minor Star Wars villains isn't minor. Rray (talk) 13:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - Can you substantiate that? Then create the article Star Wars villains - these characters don't inherit notability. Or cite whatever sources you know of that support the real-world notability of minor Star Wars character in this nearly-sourceless list. --EEMIV (talk) 14:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete - Unless there is an assertion of notability, there is no reason to keep the article. This is not a vote, and voting keep and claiming notability without proving is not good enough to keep an article from deletion. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete long list of non-notable characters. Fails WP:Plot also full of original research. Ridernyc (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jayron32. This is just part of the main Star Wars article that has been forked out due to size and shouldn't be viewed in absolute isolation. Torc2 (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.