Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. v/r - TP 22:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

List of minor characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series)

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Contested prod. There are no details in the article to assert notability, and most of the list is unnecessary even to understand or support the episode articles--minor background or one-shot equivalent characters do not need to be covered here. I was unable to find much from non-companion or fan-oriented sources to prove that the minor characters are important enough for their own separate coverage. Right now it's an extension of mere listing of plot. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Very well-done article, but it belongs on a fan site not an encyclopedia for the general public. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge into List of Battlestar Galactica characters which, by definition, should cover all the same stuff and more besides. Warden (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, Rename to List of characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) per my deprodding rationale, and the rationale I provided on the talk page Talk:List of minor characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) for the requested move. The other article Colonel Warden points out is not about the 2004 TV series. There is no list of characters for the 2004 TV series. This article should be expanded to include characters that have their own articles, so become a standard list of characters. It is standard practice on Wikipedia to have a list of characters for popular TV series, and this was a popular TV series. There is no such article at the moment, a slight expansion of this list would fill that void. Standard editorial edits can trim the less notable characters off this list as well. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 04:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge with List of Battlestar Galactica characters.--Philly boy92 (talk) 04:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * Merge per Col. Warden, though really--there's a room for a separate character list for each notable television series Combining the character lists through the iterations of the show should be a matter of convenience, since the character names overlap to some extent, rather than a mandate. Jclemens (talk) 23:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment there is very little overlap between the various series. Aside from the main characters, none of the characters overlap between the 1978 and the 2003-2009 TV shows; And only three characters overlap between the 1978 and 1980 TV shows. Only one character overlaps between Caprica and the 2003-2009 TV show. And the character details between the 2003-2009 and 1978 shows are completely different, so there's no overlap in actual content, only character names. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 06:44, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete In most of the TV series we don't include all one-off characters because Wikipedia is not a TV guide. These descriptions are not supported by any references and it's unlikely there will be any. No out-of-universe significance is there neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Battlestar Galactica characters after some selective trimming, since this list is overtly detailed on what are supposed to be minor characters. I agree that each show could warrant having its own list of characters, so a rename to List of characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) would be fine, provided that the other lists are updated accordingly - frankie (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to List of characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series). The topic of characters in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) is notable itself, indeed as already established, several characters are notable on their own, there are numerous sources in the individual characters article to back their notability, and to a large extent the notability of this topic follows; it becomes clear that it is notable once you see that several independent RS consider the characters as a whole, the problems they all face, and the secondary and background characters, such as in Finding Battlestar Galactica: An Unauthorized Guide by Lynnette R. Porter, David Lavery, Hillary Robson; and Battlestar Galactica: Investigating Flesh, Spirit, and Steel by Roz Kaveney and Jennifer Stoy. Coverage of the characters in a notable work of fiction is a legitimate encyclopedic interest, and List of Battlestar Galactica characters is not suitable because it lists articles of other BSG series. It is certainly uncertain that the topic of minor characters is notable, so to address this issue this article should be renamed as above and appropriately edited so as to reflect the change of subject. Cenarium (talk) 23:59, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add that this is more than just plot, as evidenced by the commentaries for example in Battlestar Galactica: Investigating Flesh, Spirit, and Steel which discuss how the characters are affected by the dramatic events, sexuality, questions regarding survival, etc. Cenarium (talk) 00:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge as a compromise. Not enough coverage in third-party sources to WP:verify notability of these minor characters, which are not notable almost by definition. But if it will help to produce a consensus, I would accept a merge. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:10, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete or merge to List of Battlestar Galactica characters This is an unnecessary split that does not meet the general notability guideline by itself and it only provides primary sources and a fansite to back up the content. Without independent reliable sources, there is no presumption that the list meets the criteria of notability for stand-alone lists. As the content of the article consists of a plot-only description of a fictional work with no reception or significance in the real-world for the fictional characters in reliable secondary sources, it is unsuitable for the criteria of appropriate topics for lists since it falls into what Wikipedia is not. Also, Wikipedia is not a complete exposition of all possible details to list minor fictional characters from a notable TV series. I do not believe that a merge is warranted since most of the content is unreferenced and minor characters can be perfectly addressed with plot summaries, which most episodes of the series have, but, for the sake of generating a consensus, I think a merge of the referenced content is an acceptable alternative to deletion. Jfgslo (talk) 14:46, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename WP:AVOIDSPLIT says "Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic." This is a conditional sentence, and therefore does not apply in this case.  Both the 2004 series and the 1978 one are notable enough to justify a list of characters for each one.  If we accept that the 2004 series should have a list of characters somewhere, then removing the excessive characters given here can just be done, and the main characters of the series summarised in this article; both can stand alone, without relying on the other series, to have a notable list of the characters. Courcelles 05:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge, cannot be deleted per policy as with the consenus at Articles for deletion/List of Battlestar Galactica (reimagining) locations: per DEL: Pages about non-notable fictional elements are generally merged into list articles or articles covering the work of fiction in which they appear. That's exactly what this list is, as there have been articles merged into it or other pages in the past such as Scar into Talk:Cylon Raider, and the list also contains links to articles which have been deemed notable. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 15:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Ive seen many articles like this one for various shows. If you delete this you must delete them also. So its easier to keep it, Plus its a notable TV show on primetime television. Goldblooded (talk) 16:10, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge or smerge to the omnibus list of BSG characters. When and where a character appears mainly in a single episode and we have an episode article we could consider merging that content to the episode article. Protonk (talk) 17:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.