Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: Enterprise


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: Enterprise

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A list article dedicated to acknowledged minor characters with little real-world context provided. Almost all of the sources aren't independent. Citations have been requested since 2011. For those looking for this level of information about minor characters, there are Wikias dedicated to such discussions. DonIago (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn per subsequent comments. I think the article has a lot of room for improvement, but I'm willing to concede that it is salvageable. DonIago (talk) 17:33, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. DonIago (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete if they are minor they are by very definition non-notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The title isn't quite right. What it means is these were not the primary cast that appeared in every episode.  The fact that they were recurring makes them more than minor.


 * Keep/merge We're not here to facilitate Wikia, which exists to sell advertising as a commercial, profit-making business.  Instead we should look to preserve this within our overall coverage of the Enterprise series which, like the rest of Star Trek, is quite notable.  There's details about each character to be found in various sources and the worst case would be merger into another page such as List of Star Trek: Enterprise cast members.  Applicable policies include WP:ATD; WP:IMPERFECT; WP:NEXIST; WP:NOTPAPER and WP:PRESERVE. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Can you provide some ideas for independent sources that have discussed these characters? DonIago (talk) 20:30, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:14, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as valid WP:SPLIT from our coverage of a notable series. If these characters were individually notable, they'd have their own separate articles, so merging and organizing this material in lists of this kind has long been consensus-supported. Just looking at all of the pages pointing to redirects to this list as seen here shows that this is providing a valuable cross-referencing and indexing function to this area of content, particularly since this is limited to recurring characters, and there would otherwise be no way to connect references to them from one article or episode description to another. The tiresome argument that "site X can handle this" really needs to be retired because it contributes nothing. postdlf (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Do you still feel that deletion is appropriate at this time? I'm considering withdrawing my nomination (not without reservations), but WP:AFD indicates that withdrawing isn't an option while other editors support deletion. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 17:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You can withdraw your nomination just by stating that in a comment and/or striking it out, but the AFD would have to remain open if there are any delete !votes. postdlf (talk) 17:47, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep and possibly rename. As "minor characters" in the title is a thing of nomenclature, I do not find John Pack Lambert's deletion argument convincing. I agree with postdlf's argumentation. In addition, I did an exemplary search at Google Scholar for one of the listed characters, Arik Soong, and have found a number of occurences of varying length in secondary sources:, , , ,  . Perhaps not enough for a separate article, but surely for a section in a list. If this one example is any indication, this list is warranted on that grounds also. Daranios (talk) 11:12, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per identified sources. Lists like this are often constructed from pages previously put up for AfD and merged; putting the list up for deletion feels like an unfair overturning of those prior discussions. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:30, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.