Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor secular observances


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The result was merge to Lists of holidays. Liz Read! Talk! 06:24, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

List of minor secular observances

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Minor secular observance is not a defined concept, and this list has unclear incision criteria (New Year's Eve is minor? Muslim Women's Day and Christmas in July are secular?). Independence Day (Sri Lanka) is minor as is Independence Day (United States) because they are not global, I guess? This seems like a failure of WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NLIST, and effectively a list of observances deemed minor by Wikipedia editors. Ugh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 30 July 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:25, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Lists. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  09:50, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Repair - This type of list is useful for navigation and general reference, but it's a good point the scope is a bit unclear. This list is the result of a merge of List of commemorative days, International observance, List of unofficial observances by date, and List of awareness days. I don't think it would be a good idea to split it back up along these lines, because when we were doing that there was too much overlap. Unofficial observances are somewhat inherently international, and commemorative and awareness days can be official and unofficial and overlap in purpose. Possibilities:
 * Move to List of observances by day and include all secular and government-recognized holidays. Due to length, split off List of week-long observances, List of year-long observances, and List of decade-long observances. Also due to length, exclude anything under Category:Religious holidays unless it's a government-recognized holiday, but link to that category for completeness. (It replaced List of religious holidays.)
 * Keep the current title, and clarify that "major" means government-recognized holidays with time off, which would presumably exclude the Independence Days mentioned. I would consider Christmas in July and Muslim Women's Day secular because they are not holy days in any religion.
 * Split lists to mirror subcategories of Category:Observances.
 * Realign to follow Lists of holidays. Note that lists also considers certain saint days to have been secularized, for example Valentine's Day and St. Patrick's Day. I could argue either way on that particular question; maybe it's most neutral just to treat them as both.
 * Something else I haven't thought of?
 * -- Beland (talk) 01:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you have a preference among those possible alternatives? -- Beland (talk) 02:16, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Beland Given the problems I outlined, my best SOFTDELETE idea would be to redirect this to Lists of holidays. Unless, of course, someone starts fixing this, but IMHO this is next to impossible due to minor secular observance (this term redirects to our list) being a wiki-invention, which means that the list fails NLIST/OR. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, it seems feasible to merge this list into Lists of holidays. The result will probably be too long, but if so we can have a discussion about a more logical way to split it up. -- Beland (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rather than original research into how to split based on concepts, I think a split by alphabet (by letter or letters) is one way to deal with size. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to Lists of holidays per above discussion. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Lists of holidays keeping only those items that have their own articles or a substantial section in another article, not just a passing mention. Of course, if any items are spotted having articles that don't merit them then those can be put up for deletion and, conversely, if any items are spotted without articles that truly merit one then a stub can be created for them. As it stands the article is a cruft magnet. If it really was a necessary article then we would just have to deal with that but I don't see that it is. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:59, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.