Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern weapons by country


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

List of modern weapons by country

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Another indiscriminate, unreferenced (bar one, from Indonesia-!) list that attempts to compile all "post 1945 weapons by country". Such a list would be of a size to send Godzilla screaming in terror if it was complete; even limited to personal weapons, which appears to be its intent, it would be "Listra". And why a 1945 cutoff, when many weapons made earlier remain in service and are just as effective? "Modern" is an arbitrary conceit, I'm afraid. I appreciate the effort that went into this, but I don't see how such a list is of any value to Wikipedia. The Bushranger One ping only 20:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 20:15, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Arbitrary, unsourced, unnecessary. Nwlaw63 (talk) 20:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Appropriate summary list, should be more closely linked to the appropriate detailed articles on the weapon or type of weapon, which will provide the references. If limited to those weapons that have Wikipedia articles or sections of Wikipedia articles, how can it possibly be too large for Wikipedia. (And I think 1945 is a conventional cutoff point in military history--I wouldn't object, though, to also merging with earlier periods  in a comprehensive list, though it would still be helpful to have one on historical periods)   DGG ( talk ) 02:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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 * Keep Not indiscriminate, per DGG, and my arguments on similar weapons lists AfDs. Jclemens (talk) 01:31, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Given the huge number of weapons most national militaries are equipped with this is an unmanageable topic for an article. Definitional issues also render it highly problematic (eg, what's a 'modern weapon'?) Nick-D (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * As it stands, the list is indiscriminate, even if it does have some limits to the scope, precisely because that scope is so wide. Simply attempting to list weapons post-1945 is a gargantuan undertaking, and the current list is wildly incomplete to the point of being POV on what it omits. The definition of a "modern weapon" is pretty subjective, but supposing that we could accept "post-1945" as the definition for the sake of argument, then we have to define the what should be in the scope: rifles, carbines, submachineguns, sniper rifles, grenade launchers, other small arms, mortars, artillery, tanks, ship guns, aircraft, bombs, missiles, mines, nukes (some of which don't fit neatly into one category or the other)? What a bout melee weapons and other non-firearms (like modern crossbows)? What about defining countries, like the Soviet Union, Taiwan, Kosovo? What about non-government armies and organizations that fight, like the UN, Al-Qaeda, the IRA, or the Branch Davidians? The size of such a list would not only be unfeasable, unmaintainable, and unreadable, but it would probably impossible to gather into the list in the first place, not to mention being redundant to the other lists with much more specific and narrow scopes. I'd be willing to cast a keep vote if the list was renamed to "list of post-1945 small arms by operators" and the scope made much more clear. Admin note: my rationale for Articles for deletion/List of modern weapons by type is much the same premise.  bahamut0013  words deeds 16:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and User:Nick-D. Buckshot06 (talk) 03:58, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Anotherclown (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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