Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most-played video games by peak concurrent users


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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:06, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

List of most-played video games by peak concurrent users

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There are major gaps in information that make this list completely unreliable and unverifiable. Compare Articles for deletion/List of video games by monthly active player count and Articles for deletion/List of video games by daily active users which were unanimously deleted. A "peak" is perhaps a little more discriminate and consistent. But without reliable information, this is all just a self-promoting effort by the few games that report this information in a self-serving way. Jontesta (talk) 14:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 14:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, this is a topic that passes both WP:LISTN and WP:SALAT, and unlike the other lists this one can actually be maintained since it does not have to be constantly updated. Devonian Wombat (talk) 13:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Is this a topic that has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources per WP:LISTN, or are we merely compiling information from various WP:Non-independent sources? TompaDompa (talk) 14:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, sure, we’ve got this: in The Verge,  and this  in Twinfinite, this:  in Kitguru from just a two-minute search, not to mention the massive amount of reporting that just focuses on the concurrent players count of individual games. Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Only one of those matches the topic of this list (i.e. not restricted to Steam like The Verge, 2020 like the first Twinfinite one, a single weekend on Steam like Kitguru, or real-time strategy on Steam like Guinness World Records), namely this one from Twinfinite. Assuming that Twinfinite is a WP:RELIABLE source, that would however seem to settle it. I have to admit that I have no idea whether Twinfinite actually is a reliable source, though. TompaDompa (talk) 22:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's not according to WP:VG/RS ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I see (I had tried looking for it in the WP:RSN archives but didn't find it, and it didn't occur to me to check anywhere else). This would seem not to pass WP:LISTN, then. TompaDompa (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I missed the discussion of the other lists mentioned in the nom, but we're getting into actual measurements here used by the mobile games industry (not traditional games) to determine engagement since straight download numbers are not fairly indicative of ongoing player engagement. Unfortunately, monthly player count does seem to be the measure that is used more frequently but that point wasn't at all discussed at the poorly-attended AFD (and again, I didn't see that in time). I don't think peak concurrent user content is comment though compared to that. --M asem (t) 14:19, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:NOT, broadly speaking, -- this is a narrow intersection of arbitrary criteria. This is one of those "fun to have" listicles, but it's not encyclopedic. I rarely say WP:IAR, but it's really not Wikipedia's place to gather this kind of stat tables. A brief mention of top games in some article is sufficient. Plus, I agree with previous noms' sentiment of this being inherently unverifiable and the sources only estimate and speculate when not given primary data by devs/publishers themselves. As per nom -- the only reason publishers share this info is when they want to stand out. You could hardly find this data for smaller games. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:00, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As a arbitrary list perhaps with a non-standard selection criteria, it fails WP:NOT. It not really encyclopedic. If it was expanded out with much more depth, it could be notable in the future.  scope_creep Talk  17:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, no reason to have this split off from the list of most-played video games by player count. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:V, which is a damn rare rationale at AfD, but I can't possibly see how this can be sourced by any means other than through information provided by the companies themselves, which have every reason to inflate their numbers. (Heck, a MUD I played up until recently, which consistently makes the TMC Top Twenty List, is deliberately engineered to make it desirable to have multiple characters logged in at once, 24-7, to make their usage numbers look better.  Hey, look, we have 147 players at once!)  With inherently unreliable sourcing, this is an unreliable list.   Ravenswing      03:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


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