Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of murdered American children


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk)  04:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

List of murdered American children

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I'm not sure about this list. Does it actually contain an exhaustive list per WP:CSC? As noted, there's thousands of cases a year of murdered American children but only a few that are listed here. There exists Category:Murdered American children and the criteria seems at least to be that there must be an article and it must involve an American child who was murdered but is this really something that can be listified? Ricky81682 (talk) 19:18, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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 * I'm not seeing a deletion argument. Before you answer, please read WP:NOTDUP and WP:LISTPURP. Of course the category can only include articles because that's how categories function, but editors can also restrict lists to only having entries that have or merit articles, and this is typical with lists of people. You've misread WP:CSC, which plainly states that "only certain types of list should be exhaustive." This is not one of them. postdlf (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Per arguments by Postdlf. The category page is not as easy to navigate as the list due to the organization and the list puts the cases into chronological order and also gives quick descriptions of the cases not provided in the category page. Furthermore, yes, there are thousands of cases per year and not all of them are in the article because they are not notable. Only notable cases have been included.--  Gourami Watcher Talk 20:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - useful for our core readers, i.e. students. Bearian (talk) 23:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This would be a good redirect target for the plethora of articles abou entirely unremarkable murders.TheLongTone (talk) 11:12, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - No reason for this article to exist with Category:Murdered American children already here. -- Millionsandbillions (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTDUP. And even notwithstanding that guideline, that's a really poor argument given that the category obviously does not and cannot have an annotated, sortable table subdivided by decade. postdlf (talk) 23:26, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete tentatively, pending responses to the following, or Rename/Refocus - On one hand I guess there's an argument to be made for a navigational list of articles about American children who were murdered. However, looking through the list, that's not actually what this is. Although the bluelinks look like a bunch of articles about the murder victims, most of the links I've followed are actually redirects (or direct links) to articles about murderers (e.g. Johnny Keller redirects to William Williams (murderer), and Linda Edwards redirects to Zodiac Killer, where she is listed as a suspected victim), incidents (e.g. Martin William Richard redirects to Boston Marathon bombing), and other lists (e.g. Little Miss X redirects to List of unidentified murder victims in the United States). These sorts of redirects make sense given we typically don't have articles about people whose only claim to notability is as a victim, and have articles about killings, cases, etc. but as the article does not purport to be a list of murderers, murder cases, or murders, I find it to be a harder sell. The list could be radically reduced in line with the navigational purpose, only including articles about children themselves, or it could be renamed/refocused in some way. I think it's likely I'll wind up changing my !vote. It's based on the sense that improving along the lines I'm talking about would be unlikely to be possible if simply kept. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 00:20, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - very useful for readers that wants to navigate to a particular article. Good for students etc.BabbaQ (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


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