Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians appearing on Beavis and Butt-head


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was no consensus. The discussion seemed to start out "delete"-heavy and lean towards "keep" in the end. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 01:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

List of musicians appearing on Beavis and Butt-head
Large unencyclopedic list. Doesn't even say what B&B thought of each song - it's just a long long list of which bands B&B happened to see on MTV (I'm assuming you know the show's format here).

Added: List of songs featured in The Simpsons, unencyclopedic list of songs which have appeared on the Simpsons. Delete both kingboyk 02:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Addition/del both --kingboyk 02:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Removed Simpsons as the debate is focussing on B&B. --kingboyk 07:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Informative, verifiable, and there are other music lists like this (List of songs featured in The Simpsons, List of songs featured on South Park, List of songs from Sesame Street). --TM 02:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The standard of other articles is not a reason to 'keep', it's a reason to nominate the others for deletion too. I will decline, though, for the Sesame Street and South Park articles because they at least provide some context. List of songs featured in The Simpsons I will add it to this AFD. --kingboyk 02:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If the problem is not that the subject isn't worthy of an article but that there's no context you should take that issue to the article's talk page, not nominate it for deletion. If there's a reparable problem with an article then that's something to work on, not a reason to scrap the whole list. --TM 02:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I already did, with no response. Therefore, as it fails to meet the rules (WP:NOT), rules which I did not write, it gets nominated for deletion. --kingboyk 02:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Music was a major part of B&B, which aired on MTV to boot. This is verifiable, useful information on a very notable topic. Staxringold 02:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I love Beavis & Butthead, but I fail to see how this plain old list tells me anything useful, anything that I would expect to get from an encyclopedia. Add what they had to say about each song and it might be a different matter. For now it's just context free facts. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. --kingboyk 02:32, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is impossible to understand the scope, style, or reach of a program that has a music break and is aired on Music Television without knowing what artists perform what type of music on the show. Any statement would merely be a generalization and original research, while providing the full list of artists and songs allows a reader to reach his or her own conclusions. Staxringold 02:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete Listcruft and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. It's verifiable in theory, but the page does not have details about where and when these songs appeared on the show (note, I don't think that would redeem it, but it would be just a weak delete for me in that case).  The South Park page is at least well-organized and indicates episodes (a table might be better), but again, I'm not sure that belongs either. Шизомби 02:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Schizombie. Roy  boy cr ash  fan  [[Image:Flag_of_Texas.svg|30px]] 02:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Schizombie, Royboycrashfan. -- Krash (Talk) 02:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment A table is something addable and fixable. I still hold my arguement that B&B probably has the best claim to needing a song list as it is based around music and shown on music television. Staxringold 03:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then add it and fix it and perhaps I'll reconsider. Although I'm fairly opposed to indiscriminate listcruft so I might be a hard sell. -- Krash (Talk) 04:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know the episodes these are from, but surely B&B fans can work at that. I'll try putting a table together when I have enough time (I have to leave pretty soon). Staxringold 11:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete cruft. KI 04:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete While I really enjoy this kind of trivia, as do many others, without episode references it is nothing but a random and incomplete list of bands of varying notability. -Dawson 04:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per Dawson, it's rather useless without episode references. Perhaps if combined with an episode guide, I might go for it. It would also make a half-decent category. 23skidoo 06:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * B&B: it's not a bad list, but could just as well be a category (although we'd lose detail). As Staxringold has pointed out, B&B was pretty music-oriented, so I think this has some use -- weak keep.  The Simpsons list is even more valuable, particularly the "Parody songs" part -- I mean, I had no idea that ""The Children are our Future" is a parody of an Ike and Tina Turner song, and my life is marginally enriched. Keep.  (I don't think combining these two quite different articles into one AfD was super helpful, though.)  bikeable (talk) 07:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I'll remove the Simpsons one since most editors are commenting on B&B only. Let's see what consensus is on B&B first. --kingboyk 07:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak keep it is a bit cruftastic, but I agree that the list is relevant given how central music was to the show -- Samir ∙ [[Image:Flag of Canada.svg|25px| ]]  T   C  08:38, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete, listcruft. --Ter e nce Ong 12:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, Beavis and Butthead episodes merely contain music videos, having a music video appear on the show doesn't make it any more notable. We could just as well have List of musicians appearing on MTV. J I P  | Talk 15:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Wikipedia should not be a collection of lists. The information should be included on the indivual bands/albums page not in one big list. Localzuk (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep per Grandmasterka. I hate B&B. Jcuk 21:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete listcruft... and don't bogart the nachos.--Isotope23 17:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Useful reference tool for self-obsessed Gen Xers that love to research their own generation (ie almost all of us).  young  american  (talk) 17:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, though, as many people have noted, it would be much more useful if expanded. Adbarnhart 18:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Listcruft! Eivind 19:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per JIP. &mdash;LrdChaos 20:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, they regularly showed several music videos in every episode. Multiply that by the number of episodes and you end up with an enormous number of musicians with little encyclopedic value to the list. Night Gyr 20:35, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. Verifiable, not causing any harm, doesn't clearly violate any relevant policy.  - ikkyu2  ( talk ) 21:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Verifiable? Check. Maintainable? Hey, Beavis and Butthead isn't around anymore, so there are a finite number of episodes. Useful? Could be. Simply labeling something "listcruft" is never an acceptable argument to me. Grandmasterka 01:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not worth much, but harmless I suppose. Extensive and properly formatted, so it looks pretty exhaustive, the editors apparently seriously researched this.Herostratus 01:59, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I found this list both entertaining and useful. Even if you didn't appreciate the show, this list is harmless and fun. Maybe could be improved per suggestions listed above (adding B&B's reactions, episode refs, etc) but I don't think that justifies deleting the existing list; as pointed out some work obviously went into it and I think its useful in its own right. Kymacpherson 19:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. An interesting list and certainly maintainable. Spearhead 23:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * keep, per Ikkyu2. "Listcruft" and "unencyclopedic" aren't reasons. Kind of insulting, really. Snargle 02:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.