Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations (4th nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep all. sufficient consensus --.  DGG ( talk ) 20:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

List of names in English with counterintuitive pronunciations
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No clear inclusion criteria, rules are way too nebuluous. What makes "moore" as "more" counter intuitive, or "Schenectady" not? Every entry on here is totally subjective and unverifiable, and there is no way to objectify this list. Previous AFD in 2010 kept on supposed sources, but apparently everyone thinks these sources will magically add themselves or something. All other particiapation in other AFDs was mainly WP:ITSUSEFUL or WP:PERNOM. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:09, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I do not particularly like this page, but it has come under attack three times before and has survived. This indicates that there are people who consider that it has value. I agree that there should be clear inclusion criteria. LynwoodF (talk) 09:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So are you expecting the sources to just magically appear on the article themselves? If you think it can be fixed, do it; if not, then don't bother saying anything. There's no point in sitting on your hands, just randomly expecting everyone else to do the work. That's a good way to get nothing done, and have the article continue to be a giant pile of shit. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I have been too busy dealing with serious vandalism, which I consider to be more important than improving a less than perfect page. As I said, I am not keen on this page, and so I would not mourn its disappearance, but each time it is challenged, it survives. So why not do something more useful, for example, improve this page? LynwoodF (talk) 19:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep It's easy to find sources for this such as Funk and Wagnall's What's the Name, Please?: A guide to the correct pronunciation of current prominent names and 20,000 words Often Mispronounced: a complete handbook of difficulties in English pronunciation. The topic therefore passes WP:LISTN and the rest is a matter of ordinary editing not deletion. Andrew D. (talk) 13:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So are you expecting the sources to just magically appear on the article themselves? If you think it can be fixed, do it; if not, then don't bother saying anything. There's no point in sitting on your hands, just randomly expecting everyone else to do the work. That's a good way to get nothing done, and have the article continue to be a giant pile of shit. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as there appears to be significant coverage in reliable sources; while these sources should have been added to the articles, this does not mean they do not exist. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 23:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
 * So are you expecting the sources to just magically appear on the article themselves? If you think it can be fixed, do it; if not, then don't bother saying anything. There's no point in sitting on your hands, just randomly expecting everyone else to do the work. That's a good way to get nothing done, and have the article continue to be a giant pile of shit. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I was going to, but I certainly shan't be helping people who are going to insult me. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Good for you. Ten Pound Hammer's been around forever and he's been acting like an immature punk for about as long, it seems. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete – this is a trivial WP:INDISCRIMINATE list. Inclusion based solely on pronunciation is trivial. Inclusion is subjective since it relies on individual editors' opinions on what is 'intuitive'; e.g. I don't think any reasonable person could argue that "Summerland, British Columbia – /ˈsʌmərlænd/ (not /ˈsʌmərlənd/)" is objectively counterintuitive. Similarly, it's badly Anglocentric – e.g. there are a couple of Welsh or French based names which would be entirely intuitive to a Welsh or French speaker. Aspirex (talk) 08:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment – Information.svg When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes, rather than expecting others to do so. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the "edit this page" link at the top. North America1000 17:33, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.