Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of naturalized international footballers


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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:42, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

List of naturalized international footballers

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The scope of the article is (1) confusing and (2) too wide. It's unclear whether the criteria for inclusion is "footballers, who played for a national team, who happened to have gained a second nationality in their lifetime" or "footballers who obtained a citizenship with the specific intention of representing a national team".

If it's the first case, too many players would be included, and it would just be an WP:INDISCRIMINATE list linking two unrelated topics (footballers and naturalization). If it's the second case, it's often difficult to find a source that proves that the player gained a nationality with that specific intention.

Another issue is with how different countries define naturalization. Some have jus soli laws, other jus sanguinis, others strictly a paternal jus sanguinis law. Players from different countries coming from the exact same circumstance (e.g. born abroad to a foreign mother, and obtained the mother's citizenship) are deemed "naturalized" or not based on the country's specific law.

A further point (pointed out by ) is that FIFA nations often differ from actual sovereign countries (England vs UK, American Samoa?, Hong Kong?), so the argument about gaining nationalities doesn't apply to certain nations. Nehme1499 15:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. The scope is quite confusing and unclear with either scope suggested above being problematic. I'll note also that we have lists of "List of X international footballers born outside X", such as List of New Zealand international footballers born outside New Zealand (and more can be found via Category:Change of nationality in sport or International footballers. Perhaps it is worth working this style of lists and adding to those and having them in an appropriate category (and in such a case might be worth redirect the discussed article to said theoretical category). --SuperJew (talk) 15:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, similar to Articles for deletion/List of association football players with dual nationality. GiantSnowman 16:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't think it's clear what this distinction is and how it merits its own list. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree with the comments above. Bduke (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete as I said at WT:FOOTY, this is a confusing list which mixes up people's actual nationalities and sports nations that they play for. List of association footballers who have been capped for two senior national teams covers this is in a clear and logical way, whereas this article does not. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The list mainly covers "footballers who obtained a citizenship with the specific intention of representing a national team" (or those who happen to pbtain second citizenship for other reasons who were later tapped to play for the national team). I do acknowledge that finding source for naturalized players might be proven more difficult as per WP:SYSTEMIC especially in European nations where the original nationality of naturalized migrant footballers are less relevant and is more of a subject of interest in certain countries like China and QatarHariboneagle927 (talk) 09:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that pages such as List of Chinese naturalized footballers are fine, as they are dealt with in-depth by multiple sources. Also, the nationality law + immigration situation in China make the entries in the list more limited, as opposed to countries such as Australia. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 14:26, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Lack of distinction of players which is making it confusing, the article needs more clarity and depth. Foodie Soul (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, borderline snow delete. SPF121188  (talk this way) (contribs) 13:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete This is just going to be too large a list to be useful.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:54, 15 March 2022 (UTC)


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