Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of neighborhoods in San Pedro Sula


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to San Pedro Sula. MelanieN (talk) 01:40, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

List of neighborhoods in San Pedro Sula

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 * Try adapting the search's quotes so it is "San Pedro Sula" barrios which does a lot better, and
 * try . And try searching on each specific barrio on its own. -- do  ncr  am  05:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * try . And try searching on each specific barrio on its own. -- do  ncr  am  05:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Since the list was eviscerated in 2012 as unsourced, there's nothing left here that isn't already in San Pedro Sula. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination, as it adds nothing to the information at San Pedro Sula, and there's no reason to believe that there's anything more to be said. While an old revision of this page contains a bit more content, a list of neighborhoods for every city is pure WP:LISTCRUFT, and I see no particular reason as to why this city warrants such a list. If anything, expand the corresponding section in the main article. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints&#124;Mistakes) 01:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. I just restored the article to the substantial 2012 version (saving the AFD header and the reference about four quarters).  This gives orienting information at the top and then lists the colonias and barrios of the city.  This is a major sized city that was huge already (800 residents) in 1590, before any permanent non-Spanish Western colonial settlement was established in the U.S. (Saint Augustine, Florida was founded in 1565.)  With population 1 million to 1,445,598 now, and as the second largest city in Honduras, it is not at all like some other AFD(s?) recently on neighborhoods of ridiculously tiny settlement(s) (like 15,000 population).  Let's avoid U.K.-U.S. bias and let this be.


 * I am perhaps more inclined than others to feel this is useful stuff, because I recently depended upon the corresponding city section and subdivisions article for a different Spanish colonial city, San Juan, Puerto Rico, namely its San Juan, Puerto Rico section and its Subdivisions of San Juan, Puerto Rico. I needed these to make sense out of the stated locations of historic sites I was writing about, which we include in Wikipedia because Puerto Rico is part of the U.S., while it will take us longer to get around to covering historic sites in Honduras as well.  San Juan, with population 395,326, is less than half the size of San Pedro Sula.


 * This isn't just "Other stuff exists". It is not listcruft.  It is obvious that eventually subdivisions of a major city will have to be covered.  We have to know that all administration of San Pedro Sula is not done at the city level ignoring any subdivisions, that major city newspaper coverage (in Spanish, like of La Prensa (Honduras)) of crime, recreation, life, business, whatever reports on locations within neighborhoods in the city.  We have to know that maps exist, and even histories explicitly about many of the barrios must exist, and development plans, and so on.  To "Keep" we need to know reliable sources exist;  we do not have to have them in hand.  And there has not been any question on the accuracy of any of the information, anyhow. -- do  ncr  am  04:57, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It needs to be developed to map out the barrios and to say something about each of them, like el barrio Suyapa (News about el barrio suyapa), Barrio el Benque (e.g. News in barrio el banque) (which is perhaps the main business district?) and probably lots more about Barrio el Centro.
 * This is wp:GEOLAND basics: "Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low." (direct quote, emphasis in original) -- do ncr  am  05:22, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Barrio Chamelecón is described in New York Times as a "warren of modest cement-block houses painted in now chipped and fading pastels", subject to pressure of street gangs, in.
 * The 1936 book Monografía geográfica e histórica de San Pedro Sula: IV centenario de su fundación (236 pages) has section or table: "Poblacion del municipio de San Pedro Sula, distribuida en barrios, aldeas y caserios" (starting on page 17).
 * The 169-page 1997 book Adobe, madera y ladrillo en la arquitectura de San Pedro Sula: un vistazo actual a la arquitectura creada entre 1900 y 1950 mentions barrio benque on its page 17 (which I can't see).
 * I'll stop here. -- do ncr  am  06:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Latin America-related deletion discussions.  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  08:53, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Changing my position to merge per Doncram's argument. I object to this list, much as I object to List of neighborhoods in Hudson County, New Jersey, List of neighborhoods of Anchorage, Alaska, List of neighborhoods of Petah Tikva, and Subdivisions of San Juan, Puerto Rico for one main reason: these lists would be more useful as part of their respective articles. Merging this list into San Pedro Sula, adding some prose, and creating individual articles for each neighborhood (as was done at San Juan) seems more reasonable. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints&#124;Mistakes) 23:09, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 21:47, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Colonel Wilhelm Klink posits our having someone who could add prose so that all or most of the named neighborhoods would seem interesting if covered in the San Pedro Sula article, but we don't. It's too long, and not well enough developed, to insert there.  Creating individual articles for each neighborhood can't be done by they or me now either, and it's best to add info about neighborhoods to the list-article until there is sufficient material to split them out.  So best option is to keep the list and let it grow. -- do  ncr  am  03:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe you misunderstood my comment; I did not mean adding prose for each neighborhood at the main article, but adding an overview of the neighborhoods in general, much like the blurb currently at this list, to the proper section. I've constructed a prototype at my sandbox by copy-pasting and combining this list with the appropriate section; would you mind taking a look at it? As for "no one to create the articles", I'll be glad to create articles for those neighborhoods which I can find suitable references for. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints&#124;Mistakes) 18:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ...And actually, some of these already have articles; the prefixes (such as "Barrio" or "Colonia") cause them to appear as red links. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints&#124;Mistakes) 18:24, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Which neighborhoods have articles? I don't see any linked from anywhere. It sure would help if you would get them linked from the article.  Prompted by your request, I took a shot at adding wikilinks and editing down the "blurb" that was in the article and was still pretty much the same as the version in your sandbox, to get it to the current version.
 * The point remains that there needs to be something about each neighborhood in a central article, before each has to be split out, and there's virtually nothing there yet, so it is premature to count on existence of separate neighborhood articles. And some information on each neighborhood would be kept in the central article.
 * About moving the blurb/overview about the organization of the city to the city article, I agree it is mostly not about neighborhoods per se, but it is prefatory (is that a word?) to discussion of neighborhoods' locations, and I would prefer for it to be kept here. I see little point to it being in the city article, because the quadrants it defines and the organization it explains are not used later in the city article.  And there is very little after "The city is further divided..." which would remain here, otherwise.  Only a short summary, like just "The city has numerous divisions" with link to this article is appropriate in the city article.  This article with its list cannot be merged to the city article, as it is mostly not ready for prime time and at least the list part would naturally be deleted there.  This AFD is effectively about Keeping or completely Deleting the list.  I have argued above that the topic of "neighborhoods of San Pedro Sula" is valid because sources exist about it.  And we have a start with the list.
 * For the links, my mistake; it appeared to me that some entries (such as Concepcion and Las Palmas) had articles based on the blue links, but this was just an oversight on my part; I apologize for the rush in judgment. At any rate, the expansions you've made to the list have made it much better, and similar expansions (e.g., with subsections based on location within the city) should be undertaken on the main article, regardless of the result of this discussion. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints&#124;Mistakes) 21:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


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