Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of non-American non-fiction environmental writers


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Rename. New title will be List of non-fiction environmental writers. The category renames should be listed at WP:CFD. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 03:20, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

List of non-American non-fiction environmental writers

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This list is wrong for so many reasons (well some anyway...) Why exclude one country? Why create a list that may be of limited use to readers? Why not a List of non-fiction environmental writers? (Not that I would want this sort of as well, even as an ardent environmentalist and Green Party supporter) The editor has a history of creating pages that are outside of the scope of WP. And yes I know I probably have not given a policy or guideline reason for deletion but the wikilawyers who comment here need to look at the Big Picture. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:05, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * There is also a List of American non-fiction environmental writers. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. I don't understand the stated basis for the deletion. Seems apparent that the reason for the two lists is simply a matter of length. If we don't think there's a length problem, why not just propose combining the 2 lists into 1?  To the extent this is a list of authors who are notable for writing non-fiction works on environmental topics, why wouldn't these lists be appropriate?--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:10, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions.  lavender |(formerly HMSSolent )| lambast  01:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: I think that combining might be the best option here. The list might also get a little confusing for people who look at the American list and wonder why people from South America aren't included. I know that American is usually aimed at North Americans and that's sort of the standard on here, but it's still sort of a minor pet peeve with me. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  03:25, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Environment-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:54, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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 * The strange inclusion of "non-American" in the title is because the U.S. is the only country with a separate list. That's easily fixable, by reorganizing this into a list organized and subdivided by country, with the United States section simply having a link to the separate American list. That's how we generally handle lists where some subgroups are not large enough to merit standalone lists but others are. Then we can simply rename to remove "non-American" from the title. Combining with the American list is another option, but at present at least we have more articles on American writers in this category than the whole rest of the world combined. postdlf (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge this with List of American non-fiction environmental writers and rename List of non-fiction environmental writers. This is not a huge list and there is no reason it needs to be broken up into multiple countries. Where they are from is not relevant or even interesting. What's next, List of American non-fiction environmental writers who also have Canadian citizenship? List of American non-fiction environmental writers who now live in Peru? —Мандичка YO 😜 10:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename to List of non-fiction environmental writers, per discussion on the article's talk page. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:48, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Rename - I agree with DASonnenfeld, as this is appropriate, no need to merge. Gmcbjames (talk) 21:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comments: I composed "List of American non-fiction environmental writers" to match Category:American non-fiction environmental writers, and I composed "List of non-American non-fiction environmental writers" to match the other entries in Category:Non-fiction environmental writers. I kept the two lists separate because of length, not only then and now but also in the future when additional entries will likely be added.  I accept the proposal to rename "List of non-American non-fiction environmental writers" as "List of non-fiction environmental writers", instead of merging the two lists.  (Editors can see how a combined list would appear, by visiting "User:Wavelength/Sandbox 2/List of environmental non-fiction writers", where the words "environmental" and "non-fiction" are transposed.  I prefer separate lists instead of a combined list.)
 * —Wavelength (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The merged list in your sandbox looks good.  —Мандичка YO 😜 00:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with User:Wavelength that the separate lists are more useful; combined they are simply too long. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 10:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Merging the two list articles gives too much undue weight to American writers when merged.  Gmcbjames (talk) 21:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment: Please consider the following name changes.
 * (1) List of non-American non-fiction environmental writers —> List of environmental non-fiction writers (or —> List of non-American environmental non-fiction writers, a more precise name)
 * (2) List of American non-fiction environmental writers —> List of American environmental non-fiction writers
 * (3) Category:Non-fiction environmental writers —> Category:Environmental non-fiction writers
 * (4) Category:American non-fiction environmental writers —> Category:American environmental non-fiction writers
 * —Wavelength (talk) 18:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


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