Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of notable actors without stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 12:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

List of notable actors without stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame

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Indiscriminate, unreferenced and woefully incomplete list. Many actors do not have a "star" on this famous street, but the names selected appear to have been picked at random, including a few Broadway legends who barely made any Hollywood films. Warrah (talk) 12:06, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete nearly infinite, and thus indiscriminate. Doc Quintana (talk) 12:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The notations of "Academy Award winner" and "Academy Award nominee" next to most of the names show that Warrah's criticism ("the names selected appear to have been picked at random"), is totally unfounded and ill-considered. There are amazingly obscure and ancient names that received stars, many posthumously, since the Walk was created around 1958, including vaudevillians and silent film actors.
 * I do acknowledge that Doc Quintana concern has some merit, although not the "indiscriminate" part (see above). This, however, is easily remedied by narrowing the list to Academy Award nominees and winners excluded from the Walk, and even further by limiting it to actors and directors, which are the only names I was going to include anyway. I think this list is an important intersection which should exist as a counter balance to the Walk to show how deficient and capricious the star selection process is. Now it is all about money anyway. The fact that the likes of Ryan Seacrest, Sean Combs and Eric Braeden have stars, while Hume Cronyn, Sydney Greenstreet, Thelma Ritter, Marjorie Main, Warren Beatty, etc. do not (see list) is something that should be publicly acknowledged in an encyclopaedic fashion, which I have tried to do. Perhaps it should also be categorized (i.e. Category:Academy Award winners and nominees without a Hollywood Walk of Fame Star). Whew, that is a long one. I am not sure about categorizing. I will leave that to more experienced and adept editors to opine and decide. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 12:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Just remembered. I understand the name of the list should also be adjusted in re the above. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 12:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete or redefine. In its current state William Shakespeare and David Garrick would both be eligible for the list. On top of that there must be 1000's of actors with Wikipedia articles that don't have the star. It should be something like List of notable film actors without stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame or List of notable award winning film actors without stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. something lame from CBW 13:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:IINFO, invites indiscriminate material. This is the encyclopedia anyone can edit so individual intentions are irrelevant when the topic itself has no inherent logical limits. Eusebeus (talk) 14:56, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Although I agree that it's possible to list people in this way and the list is interesting, the main purpose of an encylopedia is to give the info straight. Something like this where the info is processed and presented in a way to provoke or entertain the readers is good, but it really belongs somewhere else. You might start with a blog and then sneak in an external link on Hollywood Walk of Fame. Your next step would be to write an article on the topic and get it published somewhere, then add a sentence like, "Many award winning actors have not yet been given stars." and source it to your article.  p.s. Why doesn't Shakespeare have a star? He certainly deserves one. Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional comment The author's comment which seemed to imply that one reason for the article is to get these deserving people stars is a clue to me that this isn't really encyclopedic type stuff. Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:07, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Kitfoxxe - with all due respect I did not think that creating this list would get the actors in question stars on the HWOF. You have apparently misinterpreted my comment: "I think this list is an important intersection which should exist as a counter balance to the Walk to show how deficient and capricious the star selection process is". Perhaps this is my fault. The issue does rile me a little and I guess my anger showed, but I didn't ever imagine that the list would have influenced any HWOF decision makers. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to imply that you had done something wrong. If you would like to start a Facebook page on the topic I will become a fan.Kitfoxxe (talk) 05:57, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR as unencyclopedic cross-categorization and WP:SOAP per additional comment above.-- 70.80.234.196 (talk) 15:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope 70.80.234.196 will withdraw the accusation of WP:SOAP as it is unfounded. Ill-accepted -- indeed, doomed -- as the list is, my intentions were never to violate WP:SOAP and I would like the record to reflect that. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 16:46, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Mandsford (talk) 00:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDIR. Frankly, I cannot see any point to such a list. Truly great unknowns would be lost in the clutter. Evalpor (talk) 18:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Not only per WP:NOTDIR, but this list is subjective. What one person deems notable may not be the same for another person.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete -- not because it's a bad topic, but because it's totally unsourced and I have no reason to believe any of it. If Warren Beatty or Cher doesn't have a star, that's something that I'd like to see backed up with some proof.  It should be limited to actors who have won an Oscar or an Emmy, rather than "notable" actors, so as to eliminate the subjective nature of this list.  (I have a feeling that this is original research-- someone looked at a list of who is on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and then started asking "why isn't ____ on here?" but I find it hard to believe that this isn't discussed in articles about "the walk".
 * Delete as indiscriminate information, and because I can see no evidence that not having a star is a notable phenomenon. It seems we could just as easily have "List of notable actors who haven't won an Academy Award", "List of Academy Award winners who haven't won a BAFTA" and so on.-- Beloved Freak  14:50, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
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